[News] Treliving named Leafs GM

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

come on now they are at least your 2nd team

anyway, the media and fans would be looking for someone to blame

a 24 year old player you drafted is leading another team to the finals...it is somebodies fault no?

I wish I had a job where results didn't matter

Sure fans and media typically do want to blame someone but I don’t. Or at least I don’t blame Treliving for not trading Tkachuck earlier. Why would I? I’m not in the room. I don’t know what’s being discussed between the two parties. I’ve never even spoken to either one of them but I have seen Treliving at the farmer’s market. I don’t use hindsight and selective memory to think I’m smarter than someone I’ve never met about a situation I had no first hand knowledge of.

Even if Treliving did trade Tkachuck earlier is there any reason to believe he could have swung a better deal? Bear in mind, that’s before Tkachuck had his 104 point season under his belt. And since we’re in the world of make believe, what deal out there was available? If Treliving did trade Tkachuck earlier and he went on to have the success he is having now, what are the chances that people wouldn’t be blaming Tkachuck for not hanging on to him longer??

Be real.

Singling out one person to blame is stupid in most cases, including this one.

[WCW Nitro]

I think he was hired because he has experience working at an arena named after Scotiabank

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Co-owner and chairman...that better?

Guy owns 25% of MLSE...even "insiders" think it's a factor but sure it must be all the amazing track record.

And he is very good friends with Tre's old man.

Nothing more Toronto than a hire based on what school you went to, or who your Dad is. Also that it drives Calgarians nuts.

I am so happy my parents left that area before I was born.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He wants another contract. Haven't seen anything saying he is done.

Maybe but I don't see how any team looks at him at this point in any other way except as a reclamation project. Why would anyone want him even as a backup when the guy gets injured in practice? I think he's done or third string bound until he proves he can stay healthy.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sure fans and media typically do want to blame someone but I don’t. Or at least I don’t blame Treliving for not trading Tkachuck earlier. Why would I? I’m not in the room. I don’t know what’s being discussed between the two parties. I’ve never even spoken to either one of them but I have seen Treliving at the farmer’s market. I don’t use hindsight and selective memory to think I’m smarter than someone I’ve never met about a situation I had no first hand knowledge of.

Even if Treliving did trade Tkachuck earlier is there any reason to believe he could have swung a better deal? Bear in mind, that’s before Tkachuck had his 104 point season under his belt. And since we’re in the world of make believe, what deal out there was available? If Treliving did trade Tkachuck earlier and he went on to have the success he is having now, what are the chances that people wouldn’t be blaming Tkachuck for not hanging on to him longer??

Be real.

Singling out one person to blame is stupid in most cases, including this one.

I have never said its 100% his fault but if you can't blame the GM who can you blame?

people blame owners because they don't have a fan attachment to them like players and management

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sounds like you’re looking for someone to blame.

If Tkachuck didn’t tell Treliving he didn’t want to stay, then why on Earth would Treliving deal him?

I'm pointing out the inconsistency of the same people saying Tkachuk always wanted to leave, AND Treliving got blindsided last summer and couldn't have possibly known he wanted to leave.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Nothing more Toronto than a hire based on what school you went to, or who your Dad is. Also that it drives Calgarians nuts.

I am so happy my parents left that area before I was born.

I hate to say this but at executive levels that kinda happens (or hires based on networking reputation). But in Canada it's not common at all to get hired based on what school you went to. It just doesn't happen in Canada in general.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I'm pointing out the inconsistency of the same people saying Tkachuk always wanted to leave, AND Treliving got blindsided last summer and couldn't have possibly known he wanted to leave.

First of all, it’s never that black and white. But if Tkachuk always wanted to leave he’d never tell Treliving until the opportune moment - when he could dictate as much of his next contract and his landing spot as possible.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Craigs first call is to Tre about Nylander after Matthew’s invokes his NMC.

For who lol, Mangiapane?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I'm pointing out the inconsistency of the same people saying Tkachuk always wanted to leave, AND Treliving got blindsided last summer and couldn't have possibly known he wanted to leave.

Is anyone saying Treliving was blindsided by Tkachuck? I bet he was blindsided by Gaudreau, that’s basically been said by Treliving and Conroy basically said it as well.

Tkachuck on the other hand probably always had an eye towards a few select Cities in the US. I’d be a bit surprised the Flames were caught off guard by the position he took last summer.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Is anyone saying Treliving was blindsided by Tkachuck? I bet he was blindsided by Gaudreau, that’s basically been said by Treliving and Conroy basically said it as well.

Tkachuck on the other hand probably always had an eye towards a few select Cities in the US. I’d be a bit surprised the Flames were caught off guard by the position he took last summer.

Guaranteed he was.

From what ive been told is that....

They were in extension negotiations with MT when Johnny Walker did his about face and slithered to Ohio.

At that point everything changed, and MT re-evaluated his future.

10 days or so later he told BT and crew he wasnt going to sign after considering what teams he would do a long term deal with.

Then the calls were made and a week later the trade was finalized.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Guaranteed he was.

From what ive been told is that....

They were in extension negotiations with MT when Johnny Walker did his about face and slithered to Ohio.

At that point everything changed, and MT re-evaluated his future.

10 days or so later he told BT and crew he wasnt going to sign after considering what teams he would do a long term deal with.

Then the calls were made and a week later the trade was finalized.

Oh, I’m sure there were discussions and the Flames first choice would have been to extend Tkachuck long term. On the other hand, I’m fairly sure the Flames were well aware of the leverage Tkachuck had, his fathers history, and the possibility that they wouldn’t be able to get him locked up as well. Especially after Gaudreau left.

[troutman]

I think there were grounds for the Flames to dismiss Treliving, for cause. Poor drafting and pick management, and bad contracts for post-apex players. Good luck Leafs.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

If this is the case, don't you hold Tre responsible for not trading Tkachuk sooner?
You're saying Tkachuk was never gonna stay but also implying Tre didn't know this until last summer when Tkachuk told him.

He got the best return possible last summer, when everyone knew the Flames were desperate and reeling from the Gaudreau blow.
But if you're so sure Tkachuk was always planning to leave, why is there no accountability on Tre to do something sooner?
Maybe the rumored opportunities to trade Tkachuk for Eichel as an example.
Don't let yourself get into such a corner; an obvious corner that was always coming according to you & others defending Treliving.

So...are you saying Tkachuk would get a better return off his 0.88 or 0.77 pt seasons than his 1.27 ppg season?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Maybe the rumored opportunities to trade Tkachuk for Eichel as an example.
Don't let yourself get into such a corner; an obvious corner that was always coming according to you & others defending Treliving.

I think if Eichel was on the table then he'd be a Flame. My guess is that if the Sabres were interested in Tkachuk he made it clear there was no way he was signing there. Trading one star for another who wants out would have looked terrible

Treliving's cap management in Toronto will be interesting though lol

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Guaranteed he was.

From what ive been told is that....

They were in extension negotiations with MT when Johnny Walker did his about face and slithered to Ohio.

At that point everything changed, and MT re-evaluated his future.

10 days or so later he told BT and crew he wasnt going to sign after considering what teams he would do a long term deal with.

Then the calls were made and a week later the trade was finalized.

We should have this post with a timeline pinned on the main page. Accurate Flames lore that we can refer to as time puts haze around the situation.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Guaranteed he was.

From what ive been told is that....

They were in extension negotiations with MT when Johnny Walker did his about face and slithered to Ohio.

At that point everything changed, and MT re-evaluated his future.

10 days or so later he told BT and crew he wasnt going to sign after considering what teams he would do a long term deal with.

Then the calls were made and a week later the trade was finalized.

I always figured he wanted out the day he signed the bridge. Skittle boy cost us Tkachuk. Even worse.

[dino7c]

He said he wanted to sign long term at locker clean-out day...I always suspected the Flames without Gaudreau in a contract year scared him off

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He said he wanted to sign long term at locker clean-out day...I always suspected the Flames without Gaudreau in a contract year scared him off

Maybe.

And then he goes and plays even better without him, without the incentive of a contract year.

Kind of puts into focus just how good Tkachuk has been this year. Surprised a lot of people, maybe even himself.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

So...are you saying Tkachuk would get a better return off his 0.88 or 0.77 pt seasons than his 1.27 ppg season?

If you're so sure he's going to leave, yes you trade him earlier.
You have no idea he's about to have a 1.27 ppg season & you're walking him to a free agency confident he's leaving.

But I'm not the one of the opinion he was always going to leave, I was questioning those who say that.
Personally I think he had a strong chance to stay here and that changed after Johnny walked.