[News] Treliving named Leafs GM

[TOfan]

Didn’t someone recently post a proposal including:

Markstrom - Lindholm - ?
Murray - Marner - ?

There were a couple other pieces I can’t recall. I think two D, Tanev perhaps. Anyway it seemed to generate a lot of conversation. Personally, I like Nylander more than Marner for the Flames as Marner and Huberdeau seem to be more similar where Nylander could provide some much needed finishing for the Flames.

Anyway, just some food for thought…

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Well he is in on everyone/everything.

Turn that up to 11 with Leafs media click bait

[dino7c]

Forget trades with the Leafs...like I said they value their players so high that trades are basically impossible unless you want to lose the deal.

These people think Matthews is on McDavid's level.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Forget trades with the Leafs...like I said they value their players so high that trades are basically impossible unless you want to lose the deal.

These people think Matthews is on McDavid's level.

Except Dubas lost a ton of trades.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Forget trades with the Leafs...like I said they value their players so high that trades are basically impossible unless you want to lose the deal

How so? Treliving is the GM there now. Would you have said the same about the Flames last year, or the previous 9?

Not suggesting you’re saying this, specifically, but this irrational fear that the Leafs will fleece us because of a trade that happened in 1992 is a bit ridiculous.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Except Dubas lost a ton of trades.

Draft picks and prospects yes
What big name players did he trade?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Didn’t someone recently post a proposal including:

Markstrom - Lindholm - ?
Murray - Marner - ?

There were a couple other pieces I can’t recall. I think two D, Tanev perhaps. Anyway it seemed to generate a lot of conversation. Personally, I like Nylander more than Marner for the Flames as Marner and Huberdeau seem to be more similar where Nylander could provide some much needed finishing for the Flames.

Anyway, just some food for thought…

Marner's more like Gaudreau than Huberdeau, as he carries a lot more.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TOfan

How so? Treliving is the GM there now. Would you have said the same about the Flames last year, or the previous 9?

Not suggesting you’re saying this, specifically, but this irrational fear that the Leafs will fleece us because of a trade that happened in 1992 is a bit ridiculous.

I didn't even specifically say the Flames

I'm talking about the Leafs big name players...and let's be real Brad can't trade Marner or Matthews without say so from the boss

There is a reason the Leafs choke every season and bring back the same core.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They need a goalie. I wonder how much Treliving loves Markstrom.

If Lindholm goes in another trade that would be a great follow up

[GreenLantern2814]

You could send this thread back in time to 2011 and it would read almost exactly like the “Kings hire Darryl Sutter as HC”.

I think Brad often did the best he could under the circumstances.

Other times, I think he was too impatient and overestimated what he had in-house.

There’s not a GM I’d trust less on July 1.

He made it out of the first round twice, which makes him the most successful GM since OG Darryl.

Not bad for a team built around wingers that only ever drafted top-5 once.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

What better way to take some time off from the intensity and pressure of being an NHL GM than to become the GM of the Maple Leafs?

Hopefully he can get them over the hump. He tried with the Flames, and I appreciate that he took big shots in trying to get the team to win it all, but he left the team in quite a mess when he walked out the door, albeit the ownership very likely had a hand in that too.

Imagine having a job where you can just blame the boss and everyone believes it and gives you more chances to screw up.

[JohnnyB]

When Treliving joined the Flames I didn't like it. Bringing in a GM from the Coyotes looked like a bad move and I expected the Flames would just be the Coyotes of the North. Fair to say he exceeded my expectations, and he was fantastic in many of his trades, but he was terrible with coaching hires and kind of blew it on building a long-term future for the team using a foundation of what has actually been pretty good drafting. He took his shots to go for a win, but it feels like he left the team possibly in worse condition than he got it despite the team having several of its highest ever draft picks in that time. Signing older guys to long-term and expensive contracts before peacing out and leaving for another team was also a brutal way to end what had been a pretty decent tenure. It definitely leaves me with some bad feelings about his performance.

[FlamesAddiction]

I have nothing against him personally, I just think he was a very average GM. He did some good things and also made some bad choices. Taken as a whole, I think he falls right in at average. I would say below average, but I give him some leeway due to the difficulties of the market. Any GM on a small market Canadian team probably deserves a handicap.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Who said this?

Well I did question how quickly Tre would find another GM job given his recent record in particular.

I wonder how those interviews go - how open and candid things get in terms of questions and explanations for recent hires, picks, trades and signings.

Of course we don't know the true constraints under which Tre operated, but assuming he was for the most part aligned with ownership, others will certainly disagree but my own report card over the last five years or so had mostly C's and D's. And a few F's for sure.

[Ped]

Media around the Leafs is already hinting toward running it back with not only the Big Four, but with Keefe as well.


Whatever keeps the delusion going, I guess.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I didn't even specifically say the Flames

I'm talking about the Leafs big name players...and let's be real Brad can't trade Marner or Matthews without say so from the boss

There is a reason the Leafs choke every season and bring back the same core.

Maybe I misunderstood. I thought you were suggesting that the Flames should forget about dealing with the Leafs because they value their players too high.

I would think Treliving will have some say on that topic. If anything you would think the Leafs might be more motivated now than they have been to make changes to the core 4. Say what you will about Treliving, he has shown he’s not shy to make big moves. And I agree, he certainly would have to have Shanahan’s support to make a move of that magnitude but I suspect that’s the case in nearly all NHL teams.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Imagine having a job where you can just blame the boss and everyone believes it and gives you more chances to screw up.

We may never know exactly what was going on behind the scenes between Treliving and Murray in control over the team, and I'm not sure what to make of it. All I can say for sure about him is:

• great at trades
• terrible at coaching hires
• good with media and PR
• enjoys the process

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Marner's more like Gaudreau than Huberdeau, as he carries a lot more.

Yes. As does Nylander. He’s very efficient at zone entries.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Draft picks and prospects yes
What big name players did he trade?

Well, no, he's stayed away from trading top line players. And yes, most of his lost trades involve trading good picks for bad or short term players.

But trading away his own non-elite players, I'd say he lost trades involving Kadri, Kessel, Sandin, Marleau, Zaitsev, Marchment, Moore, and even the trade where he got rid of Nick Ritchie.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Maybe I misunderstood. I thought you were suggesting that the Flames should forget about dealing with the Leafs because they value their players too high.

I would think Treliving will have some say on that topic. If anything you would think the Leafs might be more motivated now than they have been to make changes to the core 4. Say what you will about Treliving, he has shown he’s not shy to make big moves. And I agree, he certainly would have to have Shanahan’s support to make a move of that magnitude but I suspect that’s the case in nearly all NHL teams.

Well the Flames (and anyone else) can forget about Matthews and Marner so don't bother with those proposals the Leafs will never trade either. As for big moves Tre didn't trade any core players until he was forced to....or let them walk.