2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by stemit14

My attempt at an exciting offseason:

Trade 1:
To Columbus: Lindholm + 16th pick in 2023 draft
To Calgary: 3rd overall pick + 34th pick in 2023 draft

Trade 2:
To Buffalo: Hanifin + 34th pick in 2023 draft (from Columbus) + Vladar
To Calgary: 13th pick in 2023 draft + 86th pick in 2023 draft

Sign Backlund to 3-year deal for $4.0 million AAV and name him captain.

Re-sign Stetcher and Stone.

Re-sign Lewis for a league min as a 4th line center to come in and out of the lineup for Zary.

If toffoli is willing to sign for a reasonable contract (max term of 3 years at $5 million AAV), then sign him. If not, weigh the risk/reward of keeping him even though he’s unsigned. Toffoli could return a first round pick at the 2024 trade deadline but likely only gets you a 2nd round pick at the 2023 draft. Similar story with Tanev.

This season would be a real gamble as to where the team could end up in the standings. Losing Lindholm and Hanifin is big but bounce-back years from Huberdeau and the goaltending could be enough to get the flames back into the playoffs. Drafting Carlsson at 3rd overall could also be a big wildcard for the season. Could easily see him making the team out of camp and getting time with Huberdeau. Could be a real x-factor for the team.

Huberdeau-Carlsson-Toffoli
Mangiapane-Kadri-Coronato
Pelletier-Backlund-Coleman
Dube-Zary-Duehr

Tanev-Kylington
Andersson-Weegar
Stetcher-Zadorov
Stone

Markstrom
Wolf


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That Buffalo trade is really bad, you don’t need to include the 34th pick in that trade. The truth is you can’t always trade proven assets for magic beans. This draft is highly touted but as it gets later in the first round it gets pretty ordinary quickly, it isn’t an elite draft class top to bottom. Instead of the draft pick I would probably want something like Svozil or Ceulemans since our defensive depth and prospect pool is quite weak, especially moving Hanifin.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

That Buffalo trade is really bad, you don’t need to include the 34th pick in that trade. The truth is you can’t always trade proven assets for magic beans. This draft is highly touted but as it gets later in the first round it gets pretty ordinary quickly, it isn’t an elite draft class top to bottom. Instead of the draft pick I would probably want something like Svozil or Ceulemans since our defensive depth and prospect pool is quite weak, especially moving Hanifin.

True. I would be fine with those returns as well. There’s a good chance the top rated defenseman in this draft (Axel Sandin Pelikka) is available at 13th overall as well which would also change the outlook of the team’s prospect pool at defence too. You’re right than those more developed players would also be valuable. And looking at it again, that 34 overall pick might be too high of a pick to include.


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[Flamesfan05]

Treliving is going to Toronto

He is going to deal us Marner or Nylander plus bunch of picks for Lindholm and Hanifin in a package deal.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Busts in the top 3?

Going back to '90:

90:
Nolan
Nedved
K. Primeau

91:
Lindros
Faloon
S. Neidermeyer

92:
Hamrlik
Yashin
Rathje


93:
Daigle
Pronger
Gratton

94:
Jovanovski
Tverdovsky
Bonk

95:
Berard
Redden
Berg

96:
Phillips
Zyuzin
Dumont

97:
Thornton
Marleau
O. Jokinen

98:
Lecavalier
Legwand
B. Stuart

99:
Stefan
Sedin
Sedin

00:
Dipeitro
Heatley
Gaborik

01:
Kovalchuk
Spezza
Svitov

02:
Nash
Lehtonen
Bouwmeester

03:
Fleury
E. Staal
Horton

04:
Ovechkin
Malkin
Barker

05:
Crosby
Ryan
J. Johnson

06:
E. Johnson
J. Staal
Toews

07:
P. Kane
Van Riemsdyk
Turris

08:
Stamkos
Doughty
Bogosian

09:
Tavares
Hedman
Duchene

10:
Hall
Seguin
Gudrandson

11:
Hopkins
Landeskog
Huberdeau

12:
Yakupov
Murray
Galchenyuk

13:
Mackinnon
Barkov
Drouin

14:
Ekblad
Reinhart
Draisaitl

15:
McDavid
Eichel
Strome

16:
Matthews
Laine
Dubois

17:
Hischier
Patrik
Heiskenen

18:
Dahlin
Svechnikov
Kotkaniemi


Looking at that list, I would say it's actually quite common to have busts in the top 3. And if not an outright bust there are almost always better/more successful players taken later.

[Jiri Hrdina]

^To clarify I was asking him if he was saying one of the top 3 in this draft would bust.

Which I think is highly unlikely.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

When you bet, you have a strange propensity to bet against things that I already know have happened.
Please stop doing this to yourself.

So you already know that Lindholm has been or will be traded? No you don't.

Secondly, when someone says I bet in an expressive manner it doesn't actually mean a bet as in gambling against someone. It means a guess. Words can have multiple meanings in the English language, imagine that.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Abandon all hope of getting 3 OA. If Kek trades that pick, he should be burnt at the stake. They may be open to trading the later first….

100% agree.

This isn't Tkachuk that we are trading.

Lindholm will likely return a middle six forward with potential, a late first and a solid prospect.

Every team in the league would welcome Lindy with open arms but I can't see anyone giving up a top 5 pick, especially in this year's draft.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by stemit14

The more I think about it… the more I think there is a strong fit for the flames and Blue Jackets to make a trade.

If you are talking about a trade for the #3 there is nothing the Flames have to offer that Colombus would move the 3rd overall pick for.

If you are talking about a trade in general that doesn't involve #3 I agree.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Thanks Kreskin, but I guarantee there are some busts

Pull your RV was can't miss...rated higher than Tkachuk

1st overalls bust as well but teams pretty much never trade them. A top 3 pick has huge value regardless, especially in a deep draft.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Spurs

If you are talking about a trade for the #3 there is nothing the Flames have to offer that Colombus would move the 3rd overall pick for.

If you are talking about a trade in general that doesn't involve #3 I agree.

Yeah I think there are several factors for why there could be a fit:
- They have the draft and prospect capital to make a nice offer. And it include a player for now for the Flames (e.g. Sillinger).
- You would have to think Johnny would advocate to bring in Lindholm
- Given past chemistry Lindholm may also have incentives to sign with CBJ to play with Johnny
- Their GM probably has some time pressure to compete sooner rather than later
- If they are going to draft Carlsson at 3 (which I think they will) then Lindholm is an excellent mentor for him and a way to ease him
- CBJ has been searching for a #1 centre for a long time


A lot of fit there. Just not for 3.

[simmer2]

2012 draft was bad.

[Hackey]

3rd overall could be a franchise level player making peanuts for 3 years and is a decade younger than Lindholm. Teams are rolling that dice.

[Ped]

Dp

[Ped]

There’s a good chance the top rated defenseman in this draft (Axel Sandin Pelikka) is available at 13th overall as well which would also change the outlook of the team’s prospect pool at defence too.

He might be, but most people seem to think Reinbacher is going to be the first blueliner off the board, and probably top 10.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think 3 d go in the top 13 with wallinder also in there

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I respect everyone's opinion, but Leo Carlsson is a franchise player-he's as "can't miss" as you can get. He just had one of the best seasons in the SHL by a player his age in history.

Leo Carlsson’s u19 season was outproduced by known superstars Samuel Fagemo and Magnus Paajarvi. Oh and also Elias Lindholm. (And 6 other hall of fame talents to be fair). The players right behind him in u19 scoring aren’t exactly ones to write home about either.

And Carlsson was ~70th in SHL scoring this year, Lindholm was ~30th in his draft year. Scoring is up even over there.

Not disagreeing that Carlsson could (and probably will) end up being a top ~30 forward in the league), but Lindholm already is and can continue to be one.

I don’t think Carlsson is any more can’t miss than Laf/Kakko/Byfield all were.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Leo Carlsson’s u19 season was outproduced by known superstars Samuel Fagemo and Magnus Paajarvi. Oh and also Elias Lindholm. (And 6 other hall of fame talents to be fair). The players right behind him in u19 scoring aren’t exactly ones to write home about either.

And Carlsson was ~70th in SHL scoring this year, Lindholm was ~30th in his draft year. Scoring is up even over there.

Not disagreeing that Carlsson could (and probably will) end up being a top ~30 forward in the league), but Lindholm already is and can continue to be one.

I don’t think Carlsson is any more can’t miss than Laf/Kakko/Byfield all were.

None of the players you mentioned have a toolkit like Carlsson. Plus, Lindholm is almost 30, with another maybe 5 years of top-line production in him. It’s a young man’s game, and youth is what team’s covet. The big reason Lindholm to CBJ makes sense to fans is that it will reunite him with Johnny. You can’t trade a 30 yo for an 18 yo stud, 6’3”C.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Leo Carlsson’s u19 season was outproduced by known superstars Samuel Fagemo and Magnus Paajarvi. Oh and also Elias Lindholm. (And 6 other hall of fame talents to be fair). The players right behind him in u19 scoring aren’t exactly ones to write home about either.

And Carlsson was ~70th in SHL scoring this year, Lindholm was ~30th in his draft year. Scoring is up even over there.

Not disagreeing that Carlsson could (and probably will) end up being a top ~30 forward in the league), but Lindholm already is and can continue to be one.

I don’t think Carlsson is any more can’t miss than Laf/Kakko/Byfield all were.

The Flames already overpaid Huberdeau and Kadri

They can’t afford to overpay Lindholm

He has to go. The 3rd is as good as they can get for him.

[Monahammer]

Trades I'd like to see:

- hanifin to blues for 25th overall + Jake neighbors
- toffoli to canes (50% retained) for canes 1st+ Noel gunler+ Ryan Suzuki
- kadri+2nd to Colorado for newhook

If lindholm won't sign an extension then trade him too.

Follow this up by making some rfa offers (meier? Troy Terry? Debrincat?) Because we can risk our 24 pick if we're picking thrice this year.

[Monahammer]

Also if we can exit some guys I'd look at signing drouin for cheap and potential rebound, orlov, and a centre.