[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, it’d be a serious breach of contract for one. And he likely has contractual duties of confidentiality even after he leaves.

Wouldn't it be the same in the scenario painted below? If the Penguins were to hire Treliving in the condition he wouldn't be involved in the draft should we not expect an organization and professional like Treliving to follow through with his duties of confidentiality? I mean that's basically what happened when he was hired from the Coyotes by the Flames. Why would we expect anything different being on the other side of a Treliving hire?

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

No, I think this is a "our draft board in a once in a decade draft where Pittsburgh drafts 2 spots before Calgary is secret and needs to be protected" more than it's personal I think.

Saying you can interview him in 6 weeks will not eliminate him from any job someone wants him for or cause any real hardship. You can't have your GM spilling the beans on who you want to draft 16th to the team drafting 14th.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Wouldn't it be the same in the scenario painted below? If the Penguins were to hire Treliving in the condition he wouldn't be involved in the draft should we not expect an organization and professional like Treliving to follow through with his duties of confidentiality? I mean that's basically what happened when he was hired from the Coyotes by the Flames. Why would we expect anything different being on the other side of a Treliving hire?

There has to be a high level of trust, because there isn't a lot you can do to enforce it. Maybe that level of trust doesn't exist here.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Wouldn't it be the same in the scenario painted below? If the Penguins were to hire Treliving in the condition he wouldn't be involved in the draft should we not expect an organization and professional like Treliving to follow through with his duties of confidentiality? I mean that's basically what happened when he was hired from the Coyotes by the Flames. Why would we expect anything different being on the other side of a Treliving hire?

He was promoted from his position with the Coyotes. Teams generally don’t stop their employees from interviewing for promotions. Tre is still under contract and walked away to another team for a same level job before one of the biggest drafts ever where he left on negative terms and the penguins pick two spots before us.

To me what the Flames are doing is completely fair, it’s business.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Here's the full quote from LeBrun.

I was also told the Penguins wanted to include Brad Treliving as part of their first wave of Zoom interviews but the Flames denied them permission, apparently telling Pittsburgh it would have to wait until Treliving’s contract expired June 30 — which, well, is a little bizarre of the Flames if you ask me. Treliving is leaving the organization, so why would they care?

Sounds like this may not be as common as we think as LeBrun's been around for a long time and if he thinks it's bizarre then it's probably not a good look overall for the organization. As mentioned above the could have granted the Penguins permission with conditions.

It is the sentence after the bold that makes no sense. Why would they care? Depends on how the relationship truly broke down and what information might Brad hold that they want to hold tight until after the draft? It isn't that difficult to think of reasons.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Wouldn't it be the same in the scenario painted below? If the Penguins were to hire Treliving in the condition he wouldn't be involved in the draft should we not expect an organization and professional like Treliving to follow through with his duties of confidentiality? I mean that's basically what happened when he was hired from the Coyotes by the Flames. Why would we expect anything different being on the other side of a Treliving hire?

Yes. As I said earlier, there's examples of execs undertaking not to disclose and not to take part in the upcoming draft (I'm not so sure this wasn't even the case with Treliving coming from AZ).

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

No, I think this is a "our draft board in a once in a decade draft where Pittsburgh drafts 2 spots before Calgary is secret and needs to be protected" more than it's personal I think.

Saying you can interview him in 6 weeks will not eliminate him from any job someone wants him for or cause any real hardship. You can't have your GM spilling the beans on who you want to draft 16th to the team drafting 14th.

I'd be surprised if any team's draft board is anywhere near final at this point. Now that draft order is known, I bet every team drafting between say 8OA-22OA is still debating and ranking and re-ranking and re-ranking a similar list of 25 players.

I would guess that most teams have an AGM working with their scouting director/staff, and the GM occasionally pops in on the discussion. The combine is like 2-3 weeks away...teams will gather a lot more info after player meetings before a final ranking.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MrMike

He was promoted from his position with the Coyotes. Teams generally don’t stop their employees from interviewing for promotions. Tre is still under contract and walked away to another team for a same level job before one of the biggest drafts ever where he left on negative terms and the penguins pick two spots before us.

To me what the Flames are doing is completely fair, it’s business.

Huh?

Treliving told the Flames he wasn't going to extend. He hasn't walked away to anywhere else.

Clearly they are within their legal rights. But it's not him running away with the company files. There are ways around this.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Huh?

Treliving told the Flames he wasn't going to extend. He hasn't walked away to anywhere else.

Clearly they are within their legal rights. But it's not him running away with the company files. There are ways around this.

Yeah I worded that poorly on mobile. I just understand if he was allowed to or not either way.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Yeah I worded that poorly on mobile. I just understand if he was allowed to or not either way.

Thing is, they could very easily allow him to interview but not accept a job before July 1. Or accept but not take part in drafts.

I frankly don't see the distinction between a GM and AGM interviewing with another team. AGMs are just as much insiders to their team's draft knowledge.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Thing is, they could very easily allow him to interview but not accept a job before July 1. Or accept but not take part in drafts.

I frankly don't see the distinction between a GM and AGM interviewing with another team. AGMs are just as much insiders to their team's draft knowledge.

Francis mentioned on 960 this morning that Edwards is still pretty upset about Treliving walking on him. I think we all agree that it's within the Flames right to do this. It's just a matter of how much if this is being done out of hurt feelings and spite.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Francis mentioned on 960 this morning that Edwards is still pretty upset about Treliving walking on him. I think we all agree that it's within the Flames right to do this. It's just a matter of how much if this is being done out of hurt feelings and spite.

Edwards should have signed him long term a year ago then.

[tony-soprano]

Can we trade rights to speak with Tre for draft picks?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

Can we trade rights to speak with Tre for draft picks?

No, it's financial compensation.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

Can we trade rights to speak with Tre for draft picks?

No. That isn't allowed.

It used to be not allowed and teams complained they were losing people with no compensation, so it was changed to allow it, but then teams didn't like the way it was set up, so they went back to the way to was.

The Oilers were one of the only teams who actually had to pay compensation when they hired Chiarelli. They weren't happy about it because he had already been fired by the Bruins, but he was still under contract.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Francis mentioned on 960 this morning that Edwards is still pretty upset about Treliving walking on him. I think we all agree that it's within the Flames right to do this. It's just a matter of how much if this is being done out of hurt feelings and spite.

If penguins want to talk to him, flip us 14th for 16th and all is solved.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by getbak

No. That isn't allowed.

It used to be not allowed and teams complained they were losing people with no compensation, so it was changed to allow it, but then teams didn't like the way it was set up, so they went back to the way to was.

The Oilers were one of the only teams who actually had to pay compensation when they hired Chiarelli. They weren't happy about it because he had already been fired by the Bruins, but he was still under contract.

Haha, giving up something so they can hire Chiarelli. The one who traded Hall for Larsson 1 for 1.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Francis mentioned on 960 this morning that Edwards is still pretty upset about Treliving walking on him. I think we all agree that it's within the Flames right to do this. It's just a matter of how much if this is being done out of hurt feelings and spite.

Maybe Edwards should learn something from that. Didn't work with Johnny....didn't work with Tre...probably won't work with anyone.

He's the Jeremy Jacobs of Canada?

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Maybe Edwards should learn something from that. Didn't work with Johnny....didn't work with Tre...probably won't work with anyone.

He's the Jeremy Jacobs of Canada?

Murray and JJ are best buddies.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Maybe Edwards should learn something from that. Didn't work with Johnny....didn't work with Tre...probably won't work with anyone.

He's the Jeremy Jacobs of Canada?

I don't know anything between him and Treliving but how's it Edwards fault that Johnny wanted to sign somewhere else?

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I don't know anything between him and Treliving but how's it Edwards fault that Johnny wanted to sign somewhere else?

allegedly the Flames are historically cheap and this rubbed the Johnny camp the wrong way. Only player who had to fly commercial to the ASG stuff, lower meal per diems, stuff like that

edit: Buff's confirmation.