[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You’re not getting it. The Flames had all the required players exposed.

If you want to trade then something to not pick Giordano, fine. That’s going to cost you far more than a shmuck.

Plus, even if they had Bennett, they still have to expose Gio unless they go the alternate route, in which case they expose Bennett plus more.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Plus, even if they had Bennett, they still have to expose Gio unless they go the alternate route, in which case they expose Bennett plus more.

Yes, it was either Gio, who had a high cap hit, was on an expiring contract, and was thought by many to be past his prime (there was no end of moaning about the duration of his contract when it was signed), or else it was Kylington, who was a younger, faster, cheaper, team-controllable asset. One of them had to be exposed and was guaranteed to be taken (unless you wanted to part with a 1st in order for them to take anyone else available).

[MissTeeks]

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[Paulie Walnuts]

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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Got it. So we are now firmly in the world of make believe.

We're not. We're talking about the potential of Treliving making a deal that may have been available at the deadline. We're working from what you threw on the table (two 2nds). I guess you live in make believe land there too.

They may not have taken Kylington but the rest of the available players from the Flames would have been quite poor.

And at the time Kylington looked quite poor. Or are you forgetting that Kylington broke out AFTER the Seattle expansion draft? The season that Seattle had to work from was where Kylington played a whopping eight games. But yeah, Seattle definitely would have focused in on Kylington and turned down a side deal so the Flames could have kept him. I mean, Kylington was a guaranteed thing, right?

Forwards: Milan Lucic, Derek Ryan, Josh Leivo, Matthew Phillips, Byron Froese, Glenn Gawdin, Zac Rinaldo, Justin Kirkland, Brett Ritchie, Buddy Robinson and Dominik Simon
Defensemen: Mark Giordano, Michael Stone, Oliver Kylington, Nikita Nesterov and Alex Petrovic
Goaltenders: Tyler Parsons and Louis Domingue

Yup, that was pretty much trash. So getting a second out of that would have been a pretty decent return.

So I guess yes that could have worked if:
- The Flames could have found a taker for Gio at 2 seconds
- The Flames could have convinced Seattle to take a chump over Kylington in exchange for a 2nd.

Given all that, seems like this is far down the list of thing BT did wrong.

Sure, it may have been, but it was indicative of the terrible job Treliving did in managing assets. Way too many quality assets were allowed to walk for nothing. You have to retain as many quality assets as possible, which is why the Flames prospect pool is ankle deep and is about to have a huge gap in it.

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You’re not getting it. The Flames had all the required players exposed.

No, I think you're not getting it. The Flames could have made a side deal to have Seattle take a schmuck and retain whatever player they wanted to.

If you want to trade then something to not pick Giordano, fine. That’s going to cost you far more than a shmuck.

I didn't suggest nor wanted Giordano retained, I wanted him turned into assets at the trade deadline, which Treliving failed to do on way too many occasions. It's why we go into drafts with fewer picks on most occasions. He picked five or less times in five of his eight drafts (not including the draft he was hired). You want to look at one of the greatest failings of the GM? Look no further than the number of bullets he wasted on schmucks that could have been used to restock a poor prospect pool.

It's here nor there as it is water long under the bridge, but it is another failing of a guy so many hold in such high esteem when he did so little to improve the team or generate any results.

[powderjunkie]

God I love CP. Relitigating an inevitable loss that actually turned out pretty darn great.

[Ashasx]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1656645331801743366

This is absolutely embarrassing stuff from a shameful organization.

What a great message to send to potential GM candidates.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1656645331801743366

This is absolutely embarrassing stuff from a shameful organization.

What a great message to send to potential GM candidates.

Given the Flames have a lot of business to do at the draft it's possible they are worried that he will provide intel on some of the upcoming Flames UFA's or who they are targeting in the draft.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Given the Flames have a lot of business to do at the draft it's possible they are worried that he will provide intel on some of the upcoming Flames UFA's or who they are targeting in the draft.

Then do what many organizations do and ask the new team to recuse Treliving from draft decisions.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1656645331801743366

This is absolutely embarrassing stuff from a shameful organization.

What a great message to send to potential GM candidates.

Why would the Flames allow a GM who effectively quit to go to another team before the draft and UFA opening ?

Embarrassing that they are requiring an employee to fulfil their contract . Weird take

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1656645331801743366

This is absolutely embarrassing stuff from a shameful organization.

What a great message to send to potential GM candidates.

I don't think so at all. It gets the team past the draft and an exec in another industry would have a similar stipulation if they quit.

[Enoch Root]

Yeah, it's not like the Flames let him go - he quit. He walked away from the team, but is still getting paid. I agree that it isn't a great look, but it is not uncommon for organizations, in that situation, to say the person can't go elsewhere, until the contract ends.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Why would the Flames allow a GM who effectively quit to go to another team before the draft and UFA opening ?

Embarrassing that they are requiring an employee to fulfil their contract . Weird take

We can pretend like this is what good and respected organizations do, for sure.

The organization itself is calling it a mutual agreement.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Then do what many organizations do and ask the new team to recuse Treliving from draft decisions.

lol that is far to trusting in a cut throat business

[bax]

Yeah, I don’t think the Flames are a model organization by any means but this is a non issue to me.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1656645331801743366

This is absolutely embarrassing stuff from a shameful organization.

What a great message to send to potential GM candidates.

I mean this sincerely, but with comments and thoughts like this, why are you even here and a fan of this team? If you deem something like this (requiring someone to fulfill the last three months of his contract so as to not affect the draft) as "absolutely embarrassing" and "shameful", why do you even cheer for this team, or post?

This is a sincere question.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Bonded

lol that is far to trusting in a cut throat business

It's a legal requirement if it's a stipulation of the new hire. Again, many organizations have done it in the past.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, it's not like the Flames let him go - he quit. He walked away from the team, but is still getting paid. I agree that it isn't a great look, but it is not uncommon for organizations, in that situation, to say the person can't go elsewhere, until the contract ends.

Disagree on it not being a good look. This is standard operating procedure. If I go to a competitor to trade the same commodity I technically have to give 4 weeks notice. Usually you get walked out the door and then wait to start at the new gig.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

I mean this sincerely, but with comments and thoughts like this, why are you even here and a fan of this team? If you deem something like this (requiring someone to fulfill the last three months of his contract so as to not affect the draft) as "absolutely embarrassing" and "shameful", why do you even cheer for this team, or post?

This is a sincere question.

Being a fan doesn't mean you blindly support your favourite team's poor decision making.

Just as a parent would hope the best for a child, I hope the best for the Flames so I can see the team achieve something worthwhile.

[CroFlames]

He wasn't fired or quit in the sane sense that you or me would be fired or quit.

They mutually agreed to part ways - meaning his responsibilities ended on April 17th, but he'll still get paid till June 30th, so effectively he is still employed until then, and therefore he can't discuss future employment with a competitor.

After June 30th, he can do whatever the hell he wants.