05-07-2023, 11:58 PM
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#1342
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Which Friedman column was this? I would like to read what he said.
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It's in the flames segments on various episodes of his 32 thoughts podcasts. I think most of the episodes are from April and May when they're chasing the jets for the final spots and then after they miss the playoffs.
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05-08-2023, 12:02 AM
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#1343
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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05-08-2023, 12:03 AM
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#1344
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by District 5
Wow… so much to say just over the last 3 pages… are some of you F*****g kidding me?
First off insane to think rebuild after this year… last year no talk would even be mentioned… and after a year of bad goaltending and some injuries, not to mention two new main guys learning a new system and we ended having the year we did and now it’s rebuild? Hahaha you guys are insane!
If markstrom comes back and has a year like he did last year or most years prior then we will be okay… question is what do we do for backup? Vladar is arguably the best backup we have ever had, but if we decide to bring up wolf now (which he will sit half the games or more which wouldn’t be good) then we can trade Dan for a very nice pick or prospect.
Oliver will be back next year, which adds to our d depth which( again arguably is one of the better in the league)
As for forwards? Why trade toffoli? Coming off a career year that would be dumb… lindholm our best centre? Backlund who should be captain and one of the best two ways in the league… dumb.
Kadri and huberdeau will be just fine next year I bet anyone huberdeau gets at least 80… kadri will be the same and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that at all…
Coronato will be a nice young add to the roster for sure.
Like k don’t get why you people think that we need to rebuild after this one SEMI bad year. Unbelievable and very laughable.
And also that San Jose comparison? Are you joking? Lol
This was year 1 under Mike Grier as GM before that they were holding on to being a contender when they were so far from it. Not like the Flames at all right now…
Grier is doing a good job so far for them but that’s a team that’s needed a rebuild for years now. How could you be that dense and think we are the same? Lol
I can’t help but smack my face reading most of this…
Let’s see how we hire as GM first (better be corny or pascal) and then coach as well ( my opinion a reputable coach or our very own Mitch love)
But damn, a rebuild? Grow up “fans”
Hahaha 🤦🏻#♂️🤦🏻#♂️🤦🏻#♂️🤦🏻#♂️
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Wait, I've met many fans that understand/guess a rebuild won't happen at this point due to ownership, but you believe this team is good and ready to contend and should be re-signing both of Backlund and Lindholm to long term contracts (because that's what not will take)?
That will give us an aging core of Lindholm/Huberdeau/Backlund/Kadri which isn't anywhere near a contending core and we'll be completely handcuffed. 
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05-08-2023, 09:05 AM
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#1345
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by District 5
Wow… so much to say just over the last 3 pages… are some of you F*****g kidding me?
First off insane to think rebuild after this year… last year no talk would even be mentioned… and after a year of bad goaltending and some injuries, not to mention two new main guys learning a new system and we ended having the year we did and now it’s rebuild? Hahaha you guys are insane!
If markstrom comes back and has a year like he did last year or most years prior then we will be okay… question is what do we do for backup? Vladar is arguably the best backup we have ever had, but if we decide to bring up wolf now (which he will sit half the games or more which wouldn’t be good) then we can trade Dan for a very nice pick or prospect.
Oliver will be back next year, which adds to our d depth which( again arguably is one of the better in the league)
As for forwards? Why trade toffoli? Coming off a career year that would be dumb… lindholm our best centre? Backlund who should be captain and one of the best two ways in the league… dumb.
Kadri and huberdeau will be just fine next year I bet anyone huberdeau gets at least 80… kadri will be the same and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that at all…
Coronato will be a nice young add to the roster for sure.
Like k don’t get why you people think that we need to rebuild after this one SEMI bad year. Unbelievable and very laughable.
And also that San Jose comparison? Are you joking? Lol
This was year 1 under Mike Grier as GM before that they were holding on to being a contender when they were so far from it. Not like the Flames at all right now…
Grier is doing a good job so far for them but that’s a team that’s needed a rebuild for years now. How could you be that dense and think we are the same? Lol
I can’t help but smack my face reading most of this…
Let’s see how we hire as GM first (better be corny or pascal) and then coach as well ( my opinion a reputable coach or our very own Mitch love)
But damn, a rebuild? Grow up “fans”
Hahaha 🤦🏻#♂️🤦🏻#♂️🤦🏻#♂️🤦🏻#♂️
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The problem is your best 2 centres want out, and may be some of the expiring contacts guys may don't want back too.
So with the new GM and coach and some good players who can be traded with good return why the rebuild is not an option.
I know the ownership doesn't want rebuild but let's see how they handle this.
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05-08-2023, 10:22 AM
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#1347
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Oh man, certainly explains why Backlund would be at the Dome for the announcement a week ago. Had to feel vindicated.
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05-08-2023, 10:27 AM
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#1348
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
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Interesting that Backlund still had his best year ever while being that miserable with the coach.
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05-08-2023, 10:27 AM
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#1349
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Toonage
Oh man, certainly explains why Backlund would be at the Dome for the announcement a week ago. Had to feel vindicated.
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05-08-2023, 10:29 AM
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Franchise Player
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Darryl must have had a personal dislike for Backlund because at no point would he deserve that kind of disrespect during Darryl's tenure.
Best defensive forward. Best playoff performer.
Absolutely mind boggling stuff from Darryl.
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05-08-2023, 10:35 AM
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Scoring Winger
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I think Weegar brought up a good point in that Sutter drafted Backlund back in 2007, knew him well, and likely thought of Backlund as "his guy." It would make sense if Sutter recognized Backlund's breaking point was a lot further than anyone else's and made it a point of pushing him to his brink. It's an example of the types of mind games Sutter plays, and I'm glad that he won't be behind the bench to do those types of things anymore.
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05-08-2023, 10:38 AM
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#1352
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Or having drafted Backlund and having some time with him in the organization pre-Sutter 2.0 he knew he could go hard after him and Backlund would respond. He did have an impressive year.
This is also what bothers me about Sutter. I get that he's here to get results and not worry about making friends, but why do you need to go that extra step and make enemies?
Sounds like Backlund's backbone would have made him the perfect buffer in the room if he were officially named captain any one of the last two years. Another flubbed opportunity, IMO.
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05-08-2023, 10:48 AM
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#1353
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Yep a whole lot going on that we aren't privy to. Guys skating hard during the game is nice for sure. But that's just a part of what a professional needs to do in order to be successful.
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Except having legit complaints and voicing them to the coach is what a pro should be doing. Huberdeau has been a very successful player, he knows the game. Backlund is a super consistent player - he knows the game. They may have been making the same suggestions all year and were ignored. Then Stecher comes in for a month and thinks they are pouting because they likely have normal human reactions. Players are going to talk about the coach and the strategies. And I bet complainers, or even guys who, like Huberdeau seems to have done, just have different notions about how to do things, are written off as "pouting".
When you have the likes of Backlund getting into it with Sutter, this is a huge thing IMO.
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05-08-2023, 10:51 AM
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#1354
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
There was no pouting outside Kadri.
But keep pushing that agenda
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We have zero clue as to what if any "pouting" was going on behind the scenes.
Friedman suggested some players were concerned with other players not following though, so there's that.
Agenda? That's a stretch.
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05-08-2023, 11:04 AM
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#1355
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I hope Sutter's words still hover over Backlund post-Sutter. Whatever was said that got Backlund to make those adjustments and play lights out.
He had the best year of his career in terms of consistency. Even if it was to stick it to his coach, obviously the coach was on to something. You have to give Darryl that.
And hopefully the next hire gets Backlund on board to sign his retirement contract here.
He's been here so long, I'd like him to be a Flame for life. But if we do even a partial tear down, I also wouldn't mind seeing him join a contending team for a run.
Heck, maybe we can deal him to a contender as a rental, and he still signs his next contract with us next summer.
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05-08-2023, 11:10 AM
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#1356
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Shanghai
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Backlund's best chance at a cup is probably a trade. Sadly, this has become a familiar experience with long-term fan favourites.
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05-08-2023, 11:14 AM
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#1357
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Weird how Sutter would dog Backlund seeing it's a guy he drafted, was a senior member of the team, and the best defensive forward on the roster. Maybe that's the way he thought he had to treat him to get the best of him and it kind of worked in a way if you look at the results this season but if getting results is making players miserable in the process, the returns are not likely to last. Kind of interesting how candid Weegar was outing himself as one of the players that wanted change.
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05-08-2023, 11:19 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Weird how Sutter would dog Backlund seeing it's a guy he drafted, was a senior member of the team, and the best defensive forward on the roster. Maybe that's the way he thought he had to treat him to get the best of him and it kind of worked in a way if you look at the results this season but if getting results is making players miserable in the process, the returns are not likely to last. Kind of interesting how candid Weegar was outing himself as one of the players that wanted change.
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Sutter has had a lot of success, and part of it has to involve believing in his system and structure. But it didn't work this year and he apparently refused to adapt. Any time he actually switched lines it seemed like desperation and button pushing, not actual thought about what might work for certain players.
Maybe his style flaws were covered up by great goaltending last season and exposed by poor goaltending this season. And partly by the top line just doing what they wanted anyway (I seriously think Tkachuk in particular could be a guy that says "OK coach" and then does whatever he wants anyway).
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05-08-2023, 11:21 AM
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#1359
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne
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A little over-dramatic.
Went into that expecting Weegar to roast Sutter. Instead we hear him and Backlund had a unique relationship and got into some funny "f u" matches, as well as hearing that Sutter sometimes knew how to push the right buttons (despite Weegar saying he'd be the first to say Sutter needed to go).
If that's confirmation for a person that stinks...
Lol
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05-08-2023, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL
A little over-dramatic.
Went into that expecting Weegar to roast Sutter. Instead we hear him and Backlund had a unique relationship and got into some funny "f u" matches, as well as hearing that Sutter sometimes knew how to push the right buttons (despite Weegar saying he'd be the first to say Sutter needed to go).
If that's confirmation for a person that stinks...
Lol
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yeah, listen to Weegar on the Fan 960 this morning. A bit of a different picture painted
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