[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I wouldn’t call it a dynasty either and no one affiliated with the club is saying that either. It’s a great run though, ALCS for 6 straight season, 4 WS appearance and 2 wins.

The official line is “golden era” of Astros baseball which seems about right.

Umm, the cheating?

[Paulie Walnuts]

TMZ Frank also kept calling Murray Edwards "Mary"

I think he likes trolling Flames fans as well.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I wouldn’t call it a dynasty either and no one affiliated with the club is saying that either. It’s a great run though, ALCS for 6 straight season, 4 WS appearance and 2 wins.

The official line is “golden era” of Astros baseball which seems about right.

I was at Minute Maid park on opening weekend, and the word "Dynasty" was spoken over the PA multiple times.

Their slogan (plastered everywhere in the stadium) is "Ready 2 Reign"

I'm not saying it hasn't been a great run, I'd be thrilled if the Flames had half as much success. But imo without at least 3 championships you can't call it a dynasty, especially given how far apart the 2 championships were.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Tre's good moves: Tre is a wizard and a saint.

Tre's bad moves: One of Canada's most a astute businessmen and dealmaker is a meddling bonehead owner that forced Tre's hand.

Yep, I find that to be the case around here too. Treliving must truly be a wizard, because he's managed to find a way to shield himself from all the blame and somehow shift it to everyone else but himself.

I've already said my piece regarding all the coaches he's been allowed to hire and fire; so I won't rehash that. But even if the mandate from the higher ups is to be competitive and not rebuild. There's really no way for Brad to excuse himself of way he executed on that mandate: Troy Brouwer, James Neal, Brian Elliott, Travis Hamonic, Mike Smith, Curtis Lazar, Mason Raymond, Brandon Bollig, Jonas Hiller and etc? Also, how about Markstrom, Kadri and Huberdeau? He brought in all 3 of these guys and how much did they actually help the team this season? The Flames actually might have been better off without these guys and their collective cap hits this season.

Honestly, Brad did some good as a GM and he worked harder than probably anyone. But his talent evaluation and vision ultimately hindered him and this team's ability to get to the next level.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Yep, I find that to be the case around here too. Treliving must truly be a wizard, because he's managed to find a way to shield himself from all the blame and somehow shift it to everyone else but himself.

I've already said my piece regarding all the coaches he's been allowed to hire and fire; so I won't rehash that. But even if the mandate from the higher ups is to be competitive and not rebuild. There's really no way for Brad to excuse himself of way he executed on that mandate: Troy Brouwer, James Neal, Brian Elliott, Travis Hamonic, Mike Smith, Curtis Lazar, Mason Raymond, Brandon Bollig, Jonas Hiller and etc? Also, how about Markstrom, Kadri and Huberdeau? He brought in all 3 of these guys and how much did they actually help the team this season? The Flames actually might have been better off without these guys and their collective cap hits this season.

Honestly, Brad did some good as a GM and he worked harder than probably anyone. But his talent evaluation and vision ultimately hindered him and this team's ability to get to the next level.

Mike Smith was worth what we gave up. He gave us good goal tending in 2019. The year after …..

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Yep, I find that to be the case around here too. Treliving must truly be a wizard, because he's managed to find a way to shield himself from all the blame and somehow shift it to everyone else but himself.

As with most topics, there are a myriad of opinions regarding Treleving as a GM. And people take time to outline their thoughts in a great deal of detail on both sides.
Pretending that what you wrote above is the prevailing opinion and minimizing the arguments down to "he shields himself from all the blame and shifts it to everyone else" is pretty lame.

I don't know what site you are ready, but it ain't Calgarypuck.

Also when FlamesFan05 starts thanking your posts, it's time to re-evaluate what you are posting.

[bzoo02]

Apparently Maloney flew out to Arizona today.
Stetcher extension incoming?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CalgaryFlam...t=share_button

Also who was the CP poster that tracked someone at the airport? Assgrabbersteve or something like that? That was a fun thread.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I would guess he had input on Kadri as well.

Treliving tried to trade Brodie for Kadri so he was on the radar well before Sutter

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Apparently Maloney flew out to Arizona today.
Stetcher extension incoming?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CalgaryFlam...t=share_button

Also who was the CP poster that tracked someone at the airport? Assgrabbersteve or something like that? That was a fun thread.

Strykersteve

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Apparently Maloney flew out to Arizona today.
Stetcher extension incoming?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CalgaryFlam...t=share_button

Also who was the CP poster that tracked someone at the airport? Assgrabbersteve or something like that? That was a fun thread.

Gonna recruit Brett to come back and play with his brother

[TheSquatch]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Yep, I find that to be the case around here too. Treliving must truly be a wizard, because he's managed to find a way to shield himself from all the blame and somehow shift it to everyone else but himself.

I've already said my piece regarding all the coaches he's been allowed to hire and fire; so I won't rehash that. But even if the mandate from the higher ups is to be competitive and not rebuild. There's really no way for Brad to excuse himself of way he executed on that mandate: Troy Brouwer, James Neal, Brian Elliott, Travis Hamonic, Mike Smith, Curtis Lazar, Mason Raymond, Brandon Bollig, Jonas Hiller and etc? Also, how about Markstrom, Kadri and Huberdeau? He brought in all 3 of these guys and how much did they actually help the team this season? The Flames actually might have been better off without these guys and their collective cap hits this season.

Honestly, Brad did some good as a GM and he worked harder than probably anyone. But his talent evaluation and vision ultimately hindered him and this team's ability to get to the next level.

Yes, yes, and yes, but I think you have to also say that because of the "competitive now" mandate, Brad probably felt a lot of pressure to get stuff done, sign this guy, trade for that guy, let's win NOW. But largely I agree, a lot of really mediocre moves and some bad ones, and a few really good ones (I still love the Hamilton/Ferland out Lindholm/Hanifin in trade).

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Apparently Maloney flew out to Arizona today.
Stetcher extension incoming?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CalgaryFlam...t=share_button

Also who was the CP poster that tracked someone at the airport? Assgrabbersteve or something like that? That was a fun thread.

Doubt very much he's focused on players right now. More likely to talk to gm candidates or gtfo town for the weekend.

Shane Doan
John Ferguson jr.

Only names that make sense on the gm front.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by traptor

Sorry on my phone and not doing a very good job at typing.

What I meant to say was
With so many key people leaving, there's obviously an issue, although the issue itself is not obvious.

Based on recent comments from players and management/owners it seems like theres a discrepancy between all parties. Players ( and some management) are jumping off a sinking ship, whereas management seems to think their competitive. This discrepancy is an issue.

Whatever you want to call all this unfolding is semantics, but theres obviously something negative happening.

Ah. Fair. The negative is the team pooped the bed this year, calling everything into question. Last summer the team signed everyone because they seemed poised to win. Now they don’t. It’s that simple IMO.

[Mitch]

A lot of people mention Conroy for a potential GM spot but I think Brad Pascall deserves some more consideration from the fans. He has a ton of impressive experience with Hockey Canada prior to joining the flames. He has effectively been the flames AHL team GM since 2014, and it's pretty easy to see the progress the AHL team has seen since his joining. Flames AHL development was completely abysmal prior to then. Honestly his managerial resume is a lot more impressive to me than Conroy.

If he has a vision for the NHL team, I would be hard-pressed not to listen.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Doubt very much he's focused on players right now. More likely to talk to gm candidates or gtfo town for the weekend.

Shane Doan
John Ferguson jr.

Only names that make sense on the gm front.

Goodness just shoot me now if those are the candidates being interviewed.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Goodness just shoot me now if those are the candidates being interviewed.

Most likely he is just going to house in Phoenix and going a week long bender to erase to the memories of last season

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Mitch

A lot of people mention Conroy for a potential GM spot but I think Brad Pascall deserves some more consideration from the fans. He has a ton of impressive experience with Hockey Canada prior to joining the flames. He has effectively been the flames AHL team GM since 2014, and it's pretty easy to see the progress the AHL team has seen since his joining. Flames AHL development was completely abysmal prior to then. Honestly his managerial resume is a lot more impressive to me than Conroy.

If he has a vision for the NHL team, I would be hard-pressed not to listen.

Good point. IMO very hard for outsiders to address GM candidates. Need to know their vision and approach, very hard to discern for anyone who hasn’t GM’ed before.

[Toonage]

I'd imagine Maloney retained his residence in Arizona and now that his internal audit or whatever is done he's headed home to do what we'll all do while mulling over the Flames future. Drink.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Mitch

A lot of people mention Conroy for a potential GM spot but I think Brad Pascall deserves some more consideration from the fans. He has a ton of impressive experience with Hockey Canada prior to joining the flames. He has effectively been the flames AHL team GM since 2014, and it's pretty easy to see the progress the AHL team has seen since his joining. Flames AHL development was completely abysmal prior to then. Honestly his managerial resume is a lot more impressive to me than Conroy.

If he has a vision for the NHL team, I would be hard-pressed not to listen.

Pardon my ignorance on Pascall, but when you have the best players to choose from in hockey canada, I don't think you can call yourself a great exec. Personally I agree with Maloney's assessment that it needs to be someone younger, have those management attributes, but more than that is skilled in understanding how statistics and hockey intersect. The challenge with Conroy I see, is people taking advantage of him. I don't see him as a guy who can wear multiple hats at different times. He's a good guy who may put his foot down at times, but when times require a little strong arming, I'm not sure if he has that capability. I also think it should be someone who has been GM before because right now there's nobody to show the ropes. This is a really pivotal moment, and choosing someone internally to be is a tough sell. You're telling me Conroy or anyone internal is the best possibility? Just not sure.

[dustygoon]

Agree with Toonage. Pretty sure I read somewhere Maloney spends most of his time in Arizona which explains the blonde hair orange tan thing.