2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Flamesfan05]

Horrible owners. All they do is allowed him to spent the max cap every year

[CFO]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Well, he basically did fall off a cliff… into the boards, on his neck.

Originally Posted by memphusk

Really? You couldn't see the talent?

He has certain talents such as skating. But tanev helped him considerably. He has holes in his game then needs polishing. Not saying he does not have certain talents - just that he was not a game breaker (yet).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CFO

He has certain talents such as skating. But tanev helped him considerably. He has holes in his game then needs polishing. Not saying he does not have certain talents - just that he was not a game breaker (yet).

Yes. He had obvious talent. But IMO he wasn't among the top 4 Dmen on the team overall and sure wouldn't be now, with Weegar.

That said, IMO the missing ingredients were experience (to be gained with Tanev) and muscle (he was in great shape but easily manhandled - it caused some of his inuries). He would have been top 4 on most teams in short order.

[Flamesfan05]

Kylington under the right situation could have been a top 4

Now, he’ll probably on another team when his contract runs out next year. It’s going to be tough to recover after sitting out the whole year. If it’s due to physical, he may never play again.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Horrible owners. All they do is allowed him to spent the max cap every year

if they prevent him from taking a long term approach to this team (which every source close to ownership has confirmed) then yes they are horrible owners

[FlamesAddiction]

Kylington at $2.5 million would have been a bargain this season IMO, even if he was #5. That's the same cap hit that Stecher has.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Kylington at $2.5 million would have been a bargain this season IMO, even if he was #5. That's the same cap hit that Stecher has.

No it's not.

Stetcher makes 50% of that.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Now, he’ll probably on another team when his contract runs out next year. It’s going to be tough to recover after sitting out the whole year..

Where yah making that up from

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

No it's not.

Stetcher makes 50% of that.

Weird, I could swear I saw $2.5 million somewhere. Maybe it was the total value of the contract he signed or something, or maybe I am dreaming.

Anyway, I stand corrected.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

if they prevent him from taking a long term approach to this team (which every source close to ownership has confirmed) then yes they are horrible owners

Maybe but that doesn’t stop him from building for success

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Where yah making that up from

I said probably, as in I am guessing. It’s not hard to imagine he is going to have trouble after sitting out a year and the Flames may not want to qualify him for that salary

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Horrible owners. All they do is allowed him to spent the max cap every year

This is such a tired and lazy take.

If you want to pat the Flames on the back for spending to the cap, go ahead. Although you can credit them for that, I guess, how much are they spending on coaching? Up until Murray agreed to hire his buddy, it sure seemed like the Flames didn’t have much in their budget for coaching. Ward was probably at the bottom of the list, same with Gulutzan and I’d bet Peters was in the middle somewhere.

Don’t the Flames have one pro scout on staff? Whose decision is that? I’d like to see how the Flames hockey operations budget matches up against the other teams in the league, especially those that present themselves as competitive teams, like the Flames do.

Lastly, it’s incredible that the Flames do not have a modern building to play in. Where’s the Flames practice facilities?

Crediting the Flames for spending to the cap is like crediting Rory McIlroy for sinking a three foot put. Spending to the cap only tells a fraction of the story. I’d bet Treliving is paid somewhere in the middle of the pack and his successor would be as well, or less.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TOfan

This is such a tired and lazy take.

If you want to pat the Flames on the back for spending to the cap, go ahead. Although you can credit them for that, I guess, how much are they spending on coaching? Up until Murray agreed to hire his buddy, it sure seemed like the Flames didn’t have much in their budget for coaching. Ward was probably at the bottom of the list, same with Gulutzan and I’d bet Peters was in the middle somewhere.

Don’t the Flames have one pro scout on staff? Whose decision is that? I’d like to see how the Flames hockey operations budget matches up against the other teams in the league, especially those that present themselves as competitive teams, like the Flames do.

Lastly, it’s incredible that the Flames do not have a modern building to play in. Where’s the Flames practice facilities?

Crediting the Flames for spending to the cap is like crediting Rory McIlroy for sinking a three foot put. Spending to the cap only tells a fraction of the story. I’d bet Treliving is paid somewhere in the middle of the pack and his successor would be as well, or less.

So if they spent the most money in the league on everything you’d be happy?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Goriders

So if they spent the most money in the league on everything you’d be happy?

Not at all what I’m saying.

Flamesfan 05 is saying Treliving gets to spend to the cap every year and therefore there’s no excuse for the team not to be a contender, or he sucks, or however you want to spin it from that point.

What I’m saying, is that spending to the cap is not painting the full picture, at all. If the Flames wanted to they should be able to spend in the top half, at least, of the league on their full operations. Building, staff, players, all of it. We don’t get to see what the Flames spend on hockey ops. So, while they publicly can say ‘we spend to the cap’, I’d bet they spend in the lower half on coaching, scouts, hockey management, facilities etc.

Not having, at the very least, modern off ice facilities for the team at this point is almost inexcusable. That’s on the owners. Enough is enough, get a deal done. The Flames spending to the cap rings as hollow as a OJ Simpson claiming he’s scared of moving back to LA because he might run into the killer.

[ComixZone]

Spending to the Cap means next to nothing in the NHL.

TEAM
Vegas Golden Knights - $96.45M
Montreal Canadiens - $95.79M
Edmonton Oilers - $90.96M
Washington Capitals - $90.45M
Tampa Bay Lightning - $89.62M
Vancouver Canucks - $89.04M
Toronto Maple Leafs - $89.01M
Carolina Hurricanes - $87.70M
Florida Panthers - $87.39M
Philadelphia Flyers - $86.40M
Boston Bruins - $84.06M
Colorado Avalanche - $83.91M
Pittsburgh Penguins - $83.79M
New Jersey Devils - $83.68M
St. Louis Blues - $83.16M
San Jose Sharks - $82.72M
New York Rangers - $82.50M
Dallas Stars - $82.37M
Calgary Flames - $82.28M
Seattle Kraken - $81.76M
Winnipeg Jets - $81.73M
Columbus Blue Jackets - $81.64M
Minnesota Wild - $81.45M
Los Angeles Kings - $81.12M
New York Islanders - $81.12M
Nashville Predators - $79.25M
Ottawa Senators - $79.15M
Chicago Blackhawks - $77.42M
Detroit Red Wings - $74.48M
Anaheim Ducks - $68.67M
Arizona Coyotes - $66.93M
Buffalo Sabres - $65.40M

I'd even argue that the Flames aren't doing enough as far as spending to the cap. They aren't weaponizing cap space, they aren't weaponizing LTIR. The Flames have been left behind in the "modern NHL" as far as cap management goes. The salary cap doesn't mean a damn when it comes to being a contender though, as the vast majority of the league are cap-teams. It's all about roster construction - full stop.

Let's look at last year's Stanley Cup Champions and their top home grown talent:

Colorado: Mackinnon (1st), Landeskog (2nd), Byram (4th), Makar (4th), Rantanen (10th), Newhook (16th)

Let's look at this year's Calgary Flames and their top home grown talent:

Calgary: Backlund (24th), Pelletier (26th), Andersson (53rd), Dube (56th)

The Calgary Flames are an impatiently run organization. They refuse to go through the pains of what it takes to build a Championship quality team. They consistently take the easiest path forward as a management/ownership group, and we consistently get the results such a path yields.

[Enoch Root]

Yup, every team other than cash-strapped teams and full rebuild teams, spend to the cap. Nothing to see there.

What matters, and the way teams differentiate themselves, is by spending more on coaching, scouting, development, minor leagues systems, etc.

And the Flames are NOT among the big spenders in the league - quite the opposite, actually. Well, bottom half, anyway.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Spending to the Cap means next to nothing in the NHL.

TEAM
Vegas Golden Knights - $96.45M
Montreal Canadiens - $95.79M
Edmonton Oilers - $90.96M
Washington Capitals - $90.45M
Tampa Bay Lightning - $89.62M
Vancouver Canucks - $89.04M
Toronto Maple Leafs - $89.01M
Carolina Hurricanes - $87.70M
Florida Panthers - $87.39M
Philadelphia Flyers - $86.40M
Boston Bruins - $84.06M
Colorado Avalanche - $83.91M
Pittsburgh Penguins - $83.79M
New Jersey Devils - $83.68M
St. Louis Blues - $83.16M
San Jose Sharks - $82.72M
New York Rangers - $82.50M
Dallas Stars - $82.37M
Calgary Flames - $82.28M
Seattle Kraken - $81.76M
Winnipeg Jets - $81.73M
Columbus Blue Jackets - $81.64M
Minnesota Wild - $81.45M
Los Angeles Kings - $81.12M
New York Islanders - $81.12M
Nashville Predators - $79.25M
Ottawa Senators - $79.15M
Chicago Blackhawks - $77.42M
Detroit Red Wings - $74.48M
Anaheim Ducks - $68.67M
Arizona Coyotes - $66.93M
Buffalo Sabres - $65.40M

I'd even argue that the Flames aren't doing enough as far as spending to the cap. They aren't weaponizing cap space, they aren't weaponizing LTIR. The Flames have been left behind in the "modern NHL" as far as cap management goes. The salary cap doesn't mean a damn when it comes to being a contender though, as the vast majority of the league are cap-teams. It's all about roster construction - full stop.

Let's look at last year's Stanley Cup Champions and their top home grown talent:

Colorado: Mackinnon (1st), Landeskog (2nd), Byram (4th), Makar (4th), Rantanen (10th), Newhook (16th)

Let's look at this year's Calgary Flames and their top home grown talent:

Calgary: Backlund (24th), Pelletier (26th), Andersson (53rd), Dube (56th)

The Calgary Flames are an impatiently run organization. They refuse to go through the pains of what it takes to build a Championship quality team. They consistently take the easiest path forward as a management/ownership group, and we consistently get the results such a path yields.

Come on we all know the home grown talent thing is mostly because of guys leaving over geography
Gaudreau, Fox, Tkachuk, or injury...Monahan

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Come on we all know the home grown talent thing is mostly because of guys leaving over geography
Gaudreau, Fox, Tkachuk, or injury...Monahan

You can add Kylington to that list.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Spending to the Cap means next to nothing in the NHL.

TEAM
Vegas Golden Knights - $96.45M
Montreal Canadiens - $95.79M
Edmonton Oilers - $90.96M
Washington Capitals - $90.45M
Tampa Bay Lightning - $89.62M
Vancouver Canucks - $89.04M
Toronto Maple Leafs - $89.01M
Carolina Hurricanes - $87.70M
Florida Panthers - $87.39M
Philadelphia Flyers - $86.40M
Boston Bruins - $84.06M
Colorado Avalanche - $83.91M
Pittsburgh Penguins - $83.79M
New Jersey Devils - $83.68M
St. Louis Blues - $83.16M
San Jose Sharks - $82.72M
New York Rangers - $82.50M
Dallas Stars - $82.37M
Calgary Flames - $82.28M
Seattle Kraken - $81.76M
Winnipeg Jets - $81.73M
Columbus Blue Jackets - $81.64M
Minnesota Wild - $81.45M
Los Angeles Kings - $81.12M
New York Islanders - $81.12M
Nashville Predators - $79.25M
Ottawa Senators - $79.15M
Chicago Blackhawks - $77.42M
Detroit Red Wings - $74.48M
Anaheim Ducks - $68.67M
Arizona Coyotes - $66.93M
Buffalo Sabres - $65.40M

I'd even argue that the Flames aren't doing enough as far as spending to the cap. They aren't weaponizing cap space, they aren't weaponizing LTIR. The Flames have been left behind in the "modern NHL" as far as cap management goes. The salary cap doesn't mean a damn when it comes to being a contender though, as the vast majority of the league are cap-teams. It's all about roster construction - full stop.

Let's look at last year's Stanley Cup Champions and their top home grown talent:

Colorado: Mackinnon (1st), Landeskog (2nd), Byram (4th), Makar (4th), Rantanen (10th), Newhook (16th)

Let's look at this year's Calgary Flames and their top home grown talent:

Calgary: Backlund (24th), Pelletier (26th), Andersson (53rd), Dube (56th)

The Calgary Flames are an impatiently run organization. They refuse to go through the pains of what it takes to build a Championship quality team. They consistently take the easiest path forward as a management/ownership group, and we consistently get the results such a path yields.

There you have it.

The Flames are one of 25 teams that spend, effectively, to the cap or within a couple million of it. Two of their closest rivals, Edmonton and Vancouver, spend well over the cap. And that’s just the on-ice product. 4 of the top 10 teams are Canadian.

Spending to the cap gets you a C. C’s get degree’s though, right?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Not at all what I’m saying.

Flamesfan 05 is saying Treliving gets to spend to the cap every year and therefore there’s no excuse for the team not to be a contender, or he sucks, or however you want to spin it from that point.

What I’m saying, is that spending to the cap is not painting the full picture, at all. If the Flames wanted to they should be able to spend in the top half, at least, of the league on their full operations. Building, staff, players, all of it. We don’t get to see what the Flames spend on hockey ops. So, while they publicly can say ‘we spend to the cap’, I’d bet they spend in the lower half on coaching, scouts, hockey management, facilities etc.

Not having, at the very least, modern off ice facilities for the team at this point is almost inexcusable. That’s on the owners. Enough is enough, get a deal done. The Flames spending to the cap rings as hollow as a OJ Simpson claiming he’s scared of moving back to LA because he might run into the killer.

I don’t know how much they spent on other stuff so I can’t comment. I agree on their cheap building.

But blame it on other spending is just as bad if not worse than me saying Treliving had the ability to spend max on players and wasted them on Neal, Lucic, and about to on Huberdeau etc….