Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Does it not seem odd they haven’t pursued it yet on their own?

Not really,

We don’t have evidence that this information was disclosed to the RCMP. We don’t know if this information has been collected in a manner that supports criminal prosecution. We don’t know if what occurred involved privileged information or not. We are fairly certain the leaker is not known to the RCMP at this point and that global would protect their source.

So much like Smith Obstructing Justice this needs to be an independent inquiry to understand what actually occurred. We have information that suggests something occurred that is in the public interest to be investigated. More than that is speculation.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Does it not seem odd they haven’t pursued it yet on their own?

The RCMP did have a pretty useless Commissioner at the time and had all sorts of issues so it doesn't surprise me that they potentially did not care about this. Fortunately Lucki is gone now and maybe things will improve within the RCMP.

[Looch City]

Who needs the RCMP when we have Yoho on the case?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I’m not going to pretend that I know all of the laws regarding what CSIS can or can’t do but I imagine that our top national security agency would have more options available to them for dealing with someone, whether they are an MP or just an average everyday Canadian, who is known to them to be actively aiding a foreign nation in wrongfully detaining Canadian citizens than to just leak the information long after the fact when it happens to relate to a political hot topic.

You’re welcome to explain why you feel that that isn’t the case but can I ask that you try to do so without being so hypocritical or jumping to conclusions that you ought to know(because I don’t think you’re an idiot) that you can’t prove?

CSIS's roles and powers are readily available for anyone to view. Biggest take away is they have zero power to arrest or detain anyone, and can only refer their information to police enforcement or report to the government. Their job is to inform and advise based on intelligence gathering, which they did and our government outright ignored them instead of acting on the intelligence received.

https://bccla.org/privacy-handbook/m...ivacy7-20.html

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...1.html#h-76188

It is you that keeps making assumptions about what CSIS can and cannot do, even to the point that you wanted to make a poll on if CSIS failed in their role under these false assumptions.

Do you want to revise your poll request, or do you still think it's valid?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

CSIS's roles and powers are readily available for anyone to view. Biggest take away is they have zero power to arrest or detain anyone, and can only refer their information to police enforcement or report to the government. Their job is to inform and advise based on intelligence gathering, which they did and our government outright ignored them instead of acting on the intelligence received.

https://bccla.org/privacy-handbook/m...ivacy7-20.html

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...1.html#h-76188

It is you that keeps making assumptions about what CSIS can and cannot do, even to the point that you wanted to make a poll on if CSIS failed in their role under these false assumptions.

Do you want to revise your poll request, or do you still think it's valid?

Still valid.

CSIS made the government aware of this before the last election yet this is only coming out now. If it can be leaked now it could have been leaked earlier, I don’t think that it’s unreasonable to be concerned about the fact that if these allegations are true then there’s clearly a failure in the system that isn’t going to be resolved by whatever happens to Dong.

At no point did I ever suggest that CSIS should have detained or arrested Dong, which for some reason you’ve now brought up in 2 of your responses. It would have been up to the RCMP after having it reported to them to investigate and handle the prosecution side of things.

I also can’t understand why you were quoting Trudeau’s comments in response to his office being notified about the foreign interference investigation when my post was about Dong allegedly discussing the 2 Michaels with the Chinese government. The Global article makes it pretty clear that their whistleblowers made no allegations that CSIS reported that to the PMO.

Were you by chance making an assumption?

[The Fonz]

Are you seriously more upset that CSIS didn’t whistleblow earlier than you are about Dong committing the crime to begin with?

[CaptainCrunch]

Joe Biden arriving for his two day visit to Canada tomorrow

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1638677768291463168

Interesting thoughts on Justin.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1638525906518941696

[nik-]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Are you seriously more upset that CSIS didn’t whistleblow earlier than you are about Dong committing the crime to begin with?

It's honestly just a brutal series of posts.

[Fuzz]

Those are some pretty big words from a guy who couldn't even manage his own leadership campaign. If you are looking for a guy who knows how to fail, Mr Wonderful is the poster child.

Also, the PM is not a CEO.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Who needs the RCMP when we have Yoho on the case?

I'd rather have Yoho.
the RCMP doesn't inspire confidence in any way, shape or form.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1638882985163235328

[PeteMoss]

I don't really understand why releasing the two Michaels would help the Conservatives - can anyone explain the theory around that?


That said - definitely need to investigated fully.

[Azure]

O'Toole had a hard stance on China.

At a surprising news conference for local press recently, spokesman Joe Li — a regional councillor north of Toronto and three-time former Tory candidate — said the two Michaels were detained after “Canada started the war,” that China had a right to fly its planes into Taiwan’s air-defence zone and Canada should not publicly criticize Beijing’s human-rights abuses.

The Tory platform document said the Chinese Communist Party represented a “clear and rising threat” to Canada and recommended a number of measures, from “de-coupling” some China trade to banning Huawei from 5G networks and urging universities against partnering with Chinese state-controlled companies.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...ienated-voters

Aren't we glad they didn't win?

[AltaGuy]

I finally caved and did the ignore thing on that one user. This is an important story and is really interesting to me, and the continuous spam of unserious crap was too much.

[CaptainCrunch]

The Liberal's bizarrely giving Dong a standing ovation as he "Resigned" from caucus to sit as an independent is really not a good look given the accusations.

I fully expect the Liberals to go whole hog into a distraction operation, and a flash the cash operation.

I don't expect Singh to really turn on the Liberals on the budget vote, which is an automatic confidence vote. But I feel like because of the timing of things, that Trudeau will want to keep Telford as far away from questions as possible so the move would be to get the budget passed and then prorogue.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I don't really understand why releasing the two Michaels would help the Conservatives - can anyone explain the theory around that?


That said - definitely need to investigated fully.

The only thing I can think of logically is that the Cons were hammering on the Liberals and this thing had gone on for hundreds of days.

The Liberals (errr sorry) Dong might have wanted to make the Liberal effort look harder and more heroic by dragging this out til a key moment, or be able to use the release to distract from something else. (I forget what else was happening at the time of the release)

But yeah, we need those questions asked, under oath, and we really need this to be an investigation into the allegations ie RCMP and not a Q+A like an Inquiry or Committee.

[CaptainCrunch]

Also makes me wonder why the Liberals abstained from voting on Bill C-290 a month ago which would have enhanced whistleblower protection for Civil Servants and updated the laws that protect people that report wrongdoings.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The Liberal's bizarrely giving Dong a standing ovation as he "Resigned" from caucus to sit as an independent is really not a good look given the accusations.

I fully expect the Liberals to go whole hog into a distraction operation, and a flash the cash operation.

I don't expect Singh to really turn on the Liberals on the budget vote, which is an automatic confidence vote. But I feel like because of the timing of things, that Trudeau will want to keep Telford as far away from questions as possible so the move would be to get the budget passed and then prorogue.

Cannot imagine the chaos and damage control the high level Liberal offices were in last night.

Obfuscation and spin doctoring will be front and center the next little while I'm guessing.

Thy need to buy some time and hope that "story fatigue" sets in before any real parliamentary business like a budget gets done.

Question period is gonna be a debacle today as well...if there is one.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Cannot imagine the chaos and damage control the high level Liberal offices were in last night.

Obfuscation and spin doctoring will be front and center the next little while I'm guessing.

Thy need to buy some time and hope that "story fatigue" sets in before any real parliamentary business like a budget gets done.

Question period is gonna be a debacle today as well...if there is one.

Release the Gerretsen!!!!!!

He's only been busted by Twitter twice this week so far for misleading posts. I'm sure he'll be busy today.

I think there is a question period today. Even with Biden visiting but Trudeau and most senior Liberals will probably avoid it.

I would like to see all of the other opposition members stand up turn to Dong and tell him



But I fully expect that we won't see Dong sitting in the actual house for a while.