Inclusivity and the NHL: We Have a Problem

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

It was never easy for cannon7, he was born a poor black child.

Well, black where it counts. Remember: six kids.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by btimbit

And yet somehow, to some people, Reimer is the victim here.

Just incredible

The NHL should ban him for life………

For not wearing a warm up jersey.

Maybe prison?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by cannon7

If there aren't literal molotov cocktails ready to go in the stands should the Muslim in question not comply then you're all fakers.

"The Muslim"

Jesus Christ. How does he keep getting dragged into this, how is that fair? Unlike Reimer, he hasn't said or done anything

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Well let's be real. You were going to call me a racist bigoted homophobe anyway. And my trans son thinks hockey is "that racist sport dad likes."

What is the internet for but to sow divisiveness whenever possible?

Tbf I didn't call you any of that.

Also you told us your son is transgender so why do you keep referring to him as my trans son?

You said you have a developmentally challenged son do you call him my challenged son?

You might by outing yourself here.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by btimbit

And yet somehow, to some people, Reimer is the victim here.

Just incredible

Or just not the enemy?

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by btimbit

"The Muslim"

Jesus Christ. How does he keep getting dragged into this, how is that fair? Unlike Reimer, he hasn't said or done anything

Oh, right, sorry, I forgot it was only OK to hate Christians. My bad.

(it was a joke, btw. #### your green text.)

[Howie_16]

Originally Posted by cannon7

If there aren't literal molotov cocktails ready to go in the stands should the Muslim in question not comply then you're all fakers.

I would be equally disappointed in Kadri as I am with Riemer should he make the same stupid choice. Hopefully Kadri doesn't.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Or just not the enemy?

Nobody has said he is the enemy, that I know of. I have just said he is a ####ing moron who is a bigot. This world has lots of morons who are bigots. I don’t live my life thinking they are my enemy.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Goriders

The NHL should ban him for life………

For not wearing a warm up jersey.

Maybe prison?

Originally Posted by cannon7

Or just not the enemy?

These are quite the leaps to make just from people calling him out as an ####### and a hypocrite

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by 81MC

At the risk of stepping on a landline…

Who cares? People are untitled to their opinions and beliefs, however poor they are. Have a philosophical opposition to something, fine. Is his, or anyone else’s position, going to change by a frenzy around a uniform? No.

Opt out, shut up and everyone else carry on. We all have people in our own lives with whack-ass beliefs that we can meaningfully engage with if we want to unveil ignorance.

Would you be saying the same thing if a player refused to wear a Black history month jersey, because he disagreed with their "lifestyle choices"?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Oh, right, sorry, I forgot it was only OK to hate Christians. My bad.

(it was a joke, btw. #### your green text.)

This guys views are not based on his religions versions of Christianity though. The fact that he has routinely rejected his religion on military appreciation night demonstrates that.

[Howie_16]

Originally Posted by Goriders

The NHL should ban him for life………

For not wearing a warm up jersey.

Maybe prison?

A hefty fine that gets donated to a worthy LGTBQ+ charitable cause would suffice. I would also hope the player in question not be dressed for the game that particular evening, so add 1/82 of their salary to that donation.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Can't his personal religious beliefs be fluid just like his gender identity? I say yes. How about you?

Acting like you know better than your God sounds like something that gets you raped by the devil for all of time.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

This is there right attitude, but the Inclusivity folks here need more than that. You must conform and comply otherwise you are a heretic.

If Reimer refused to participate in an event for black history month would you be saying the same thing? If this was an American saying black history month violated their "Confederate" history what would you say? I'm guessing your reaction would be different. And if that's the case I would ask why you feel a trans or gay person deserves less protection than a person of colour? Or if you think racism is okay then I don't think we have much to discuss (I think that's unlikely though).

Reimer is basically rehashing "separate but equal" and thinks that makes him a nice guy. He should get a Tshirt that says "not that there's anything wrong with that" and pat himself on the back.

We are talking about two differing ideologies. One that believes all people are equal, deserve equal protection under the law and an equal ability to participate in society. They acknowledge for this to occur it requires meaningful acts of inclusion by everyone.

On the other side we have bigots who feel all people are not equal, and that simply "opting out" of supporting equal rights is somehow okay and not a clear statement that you do not believe in the equality of said group.

Just as there is no "live and let live" with racism, there should be no tolerance for any other form of bigotry.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Tbf I didn't call you any of that.

Might as well join the party. Mods see nothing wrong with it.

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Also you told us your son is transgender so why do you keep referring to him as my trans son?

You said you have a developmentally challenged son do you call him my challenged son?

You might by outing yourself here.

My son, who is transgender, was born biologically female. And my developmentally challenged child is female. I could just use "son" from this point forward, but I have two sons and four daughters, so will inevitably be accused yet again of lying.

It's quite the elaborate lie. Two coincidental personal anecdotes spanning years.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Acting like you know better than your God sounds like something that gets you raped by the devil for all of time.

You must be new to this religion thing.

[Hemi-Cuda]

It's just so ####ing depressing that this is still such an issue. I remember growing up in the 90's when it was "cool" to be homophobic and gay jokes were everywhere. Then Matthew Shepard was murdered, the world seemed to wake up for a bit, and then Canada legalized gay marriage in 2003 and it seemed like we had finally grown up a bit as a society. Yet 2 decades later we're still dealing with these ignorant hateful idiots, who seem louder than ever now with the culture war bull#### in the US. It's just so stupid

[Northendzone]

In a perfect world we would not need to have these nights to recognize groups that have faced discrimination, and yet I think we need to recognize that it will always exist in some form.

Personally, I gotta hand it to Riemer for sticking to his beliefs knowing he was going to face a lot of criticism and scrutiny

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Can't his personal religious beliefs be fluid just like his gender identity? I say yes. How about you?

That makes it look even worse, and it's exactly the hypocrisy some people have been calling out. If he's just picking and choosing which parts of his faith to follow, then it's pretty telling that 'gays shouldn't be treated as equals' is one part that he's going to throw his support behind

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

In a perfect world we would not need to have these nights to recognize groups that have faced discrimination, and yet I think we need to recognize that it will always exist in some form.

Personally, I gotta hand it to Riemer for sticking to his beliefs knowing he was going to face a lot of criticism and scrutiny

"Personally, I gotta hand it to Kanye for sticking to his beliefs knowing he was going to face a lot of criticism and scrutiny"

Does that work too?