03-12-2023, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
Treliving makes more changes than most teams. He is a hard working GM. He makes good trades
Somehow team remains mediocre though.
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It’s because he has fallen into the age old dumbass flames franchise mentality.
Let’s look at all the playoff teams this year , and see who their top 1-2 game breaking forwards are:
East:
Bos - Bergeron, Krefeld
Tor - Mathew’s, Tavares
Tbl - kucherov, point, stamkos
Car - necas, aho
Njd - Hughes, hischier
Nyr - zibanejad
Pit - Crosby, Malkin
Nyi - horvat, Nelson, barzal
West:
Dal - Robertson, hintz
Min - n/a
Col - Mackinnon
Veg - eichel
Lak - kopitar
Sea - …. Benitez’s
Edm - mcdavid, draisatl, nugent-Hopkins
Wpg - sheiffle, dubois
Notice how almost every single one of these teams have an actual playmaking/play-driving center that is arguably the best or second best player on the entire forward group?
Leave it the flames to build teams based on wingers for at least the last 20+ years.
Just because we have a guy who plays on the top line doesn’t make him a #1 center. Lindholm isn’t that guy. Kadri was never meant to be that guy. When it’s all said and done backlund might be the best overall C over those two guys, as a 3rd line C.
You don’t find #1 centers in free agency. You don’t land them via trades. It’s highly unlikely to find them outside the top of the draft.
Flames best shot at getting that elusive piece was in the last rebuild which yielded monahan/Bennett… just because it failed last time doesn’t mean that they must avoid this route. Looking at the above list, it is almost still the only way.
But here we are cheering for a team built around Huberdeau, being led in scoring by toffolli.
I applaud treliving for this offseason, however, taking the Florida deal over the rumoured Carolina deal that was centred (pun intended) around necas should be a fireable offence. I’m sure they thought weegar put the Florida offer as the best in their eyes, but flames have proven to be able to land too talent on the wings, or defence via trades/Ufa/drafting, using a prime trade chip in tkachuk and not using it on a young top center is unacceptable.
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03-12-2023, 03:47 PM
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#62
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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I have so many questions
Who the #### is Krefeld?
How do you list Brock Nelson as a game breaking forward, but not mention Kaprizov for Minnesota?
Why list Mackinnon but not Rantanen who has been incredible for years?
What's a Benitez's?
Are you drunk?
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03-12-2023, 03:49 PM
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#63
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Okotoks
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbsy
It’s because he has fallen into the age old dumbass flames franchise mentality.
Let’s look at all the playoff teams this year , and see who their top 1-2 game breaking forwards are:
East:
Bos - Bergeron, Krefeld
Tor - Mathew’s, Tavares
Tbl - kucherov, point, stamkos
Car - necas, aho
Njd - Hughes, hischier
Nyr - zibanejad
Pit - Crosby, Malkin
Nyi - horvat, Nelson, barzal
West:
Dal - Robertson, hintz
Min - n/a
Col - Mackinnon
Veg - eichel
Lak - kopitar
Sea - …. Benitez’s
Edm - mcdavid, draisatl, nugent-Hopkins
Wpg - sheiffle, dubois
Notice how almost every single one of these teams have an actual playmaking/play-driving center that is arguably the best or second best player on the entire forward group?
Leave it the flames to build teams based on wingers for at least the last 20+ years.
Just because we have a guy who plays on the top line doesn’t make him a #1 center. Lindholm isn’t that guy. Kadri was never meant to be that guy. When it’s all said and done backlund might be the best overall C over those two guys, as a 3rd line C.
You don’t find #1 centers in free agency. You don’t land them via trades. It’s highly unlikely to find them outside the top of the draft.
Flames best shot at getting that elusive piece was in the last rebuild which yielded monahan/Bennett… just because it failed last time doesn’t mean that they must avoid this route. Looking at the above list, it is almost still the only way.
But here we are cheering for a team built around Huberdeau, being led in scoring by toffolli.
I applaud treliving for this offseason, however, taking the Florida deal over the rumoured Carolina deal that was centred (pun intended) around necas should be a fireable offence. I’m sure they thought weegar put the Florida offer as the best in their eyes, but flames have proven to be able to land too talent on the wings, or defence via trades/Ufa/drafting, using a prime trade chip in tkachuk and not using it on a young top center is unacceptable.
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I'm absolutely scratching my head on who the hell Krefeld is on Boston. Benetiez on Seattle is just lazy typing/autocorrect, but seriously, who the hell is Krefeld. That's not close to a Marchand or a pasta.
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03-12-2023, 03:50 PM
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#64
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
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I have so many questions
Who the #### is Krefeld?
How do you list Brock Nelson as a game breaking forward, but not mention Kaprizov for Minnesota?
Why list Mackinnon but not Rantanen who has been incredible for years?
What's a Benitez's?
Are you drunk?
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You can add Horvat to the list of WTF.
I just want to know who Krefeld is and how do we get him.
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03-12-2023, 03:52 PM
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#65
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbsy
It’s because he has fallen into the age old dumbass flames franchise mentality.
Let’s look at all the playoff teams this year , and see who their top 1-2 game breaking forwards are:
East:
Bos - Bergeron, Krefeld
Tor - Mathew’s, Tavares
Tbl - kucherov, point, stamkos
Car - necas, aho
Njd - Hughes, hischier
Nyr - zibanejad
Pit - Crosby, Malkin
Nyi - horvat, Nelson, barzal
West:
Dal - Robertson, hintz
Min - n/a
Col - Mackinnon
Veg - eichel
Lak - kopitar
Sea - …. Benitez’s
Edm - mcdavid, draisatl, nugent-Hopkins
Wpg - sheiffle, dubois
Notice how almost every single one of these teams have an actual playmaking/play-driving center that is arguably the best or second best player on the entire forward group?
Leave it the flames to build teams based on wingers for at least the last 20+ years.
Just because we have a guy who plays on the top line doesn’t make him a #1 center. Lindholm isn’t that guy. Kadri was never meant to be that guy. When it’s all said and done backlund might be the best overall C over those two guys, as a 3rd line C.
You don’t find #1 centers in free agency. You don’t land them via trades. It’s highly unlikely to find them outside the top of the draft.
Flames best shot at getting that elusive piece was in the last rebuild which yielded monahan/Bennett… just because it failed last time doesn’t mean that they must avoid this route. Looking at the above list, it is almost still the only way.
But here we are cheering for a team built around Huberdeau, being led in scoring by toffolli.
I applaud treliving for this offseason, however, taking the Florida deal over the rumoured Carolina deal that was centred (pun intended) around necas should be a fireable offence. I’m sure they thought weegar put the Florida offer as the best in their eyes, but flames have proven to be able to land too talent on the wings, or defence via trades/Ufa/drafting, using a prime trade chip in tkachuk and not using it on a young top center is unacceptable.
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Horrible list, to quote big Z: "do you even watch hockey?"
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03-12-2023, 03:54 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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My guess is Krefeld is Krejci, but I wouldn't put him as a "gamebreaker" even in his prime. Talented 2nd line center. That's about it.
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03-12-2023, 03:55 PM
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First Line Centre
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And why are you limiting the list to top forwards? NYR for example 2 most important game breakers are Fox and the goalie. Smh
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03-12-2023, 03:59 PM
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#68
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
My guess is Krefeld is Krejci, but I wouldn't put him as a "gamebreaker" even in his prime. Talented 2nd line center. That's about it.
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Boston is a terrible example for game breakers they are similarly constructed with very good two way centres and some high powered wingers.
I would say we have a similar roster actually and Boston is 50-10 2nd in the league in goals and first in goals against.
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03-12-2023, 03:59 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbsy
It’s because he has fallen into the age old dumbass flames franchise mentality.
Let’s look at all the playoff teams this year , and see who their top 1-2 game breaking forwards are:
East:
Bos - Bergeron, Krefeld
Tor - Mathew’s, Tavares
Tbl - kucherov, point, stamkos
Car - necas, aho
Njd - Hughes, hischier
Nyr - zibanejad
Pit - Crosby, Malkin
Nyi - horvat, Nelson, barzal
West:
Dal - Robertson, hintz
Min - n/a
Col - Mackinnon
Veg - eichel
Lak - kopitar
Sea - …. Benitez’s
Edm - mcdavid, draisatl, nugent-Hopkins
Wpg - sheiffle, dubois
Notice how almost every single one of these teams have an actual playmaking/play-driving center that is arguably the best or second best player on the entire forward group?
Leave it the flames to build teams based on wingers for at least the last 20+ years.
Just because we have a guy who plays on the top line doesn’t make him a #1 center. Lindholm isn’t that guy. Kadri was never meant to be that guy. When it’s all said and done backlund might be the best overall C over those two guys, as a 3rd line C.
You don’t find #1 centers in free agency. You don’t land them via trades. It’s highly unlikely to find them outside the top of the draft.
Flames best shot at getting that elusive piece was in the last rebuild which yielded monahan/Bennett… just because it failed last time doesn’t mean that they must avoid this route. Looking at the above list, it is almost still the only way.
But here we are cheering for a team built around Huberdeau, being led in scoring by toffolli.
I applaud treliving for this offseason, however, taking the Florida deal over the rumoured Carolina deal that was centred (pun intended) around necas should be a fireable offence. I’m sure they thought weegar put the Florida offer as the best in their eyes, but flames have proven to be able to land too talent on the wings, or defence via trades/Ufa/drafting, using a prime trade chip in tkachuk and not using it on a young top center is unacceptable.
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Makar?
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03-12-2023, 04:03 PM
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#70
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Originally Posted by Burning Beard
Makar?
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He's only listing forwards.
But missing the best player in the game in Makar is crazy.
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03-12-2023, 04:06 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
He's only listing forwards.
But missing the best player in the game in Makar is crazy.
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OK I didn't notice that thanks. Agreed Makar is so fun to watch. Can't wait for his triumphant return to Calgary when he is a free agent Hahaha.
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03-12-2023, 04:19 PM
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He lost me at Nugent Hopkins lol
Seriously this guy plays on a pp with McDrai otherwise he would be a 30-40 point player
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03-12-2023, 04:22 PM
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#73
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Originally Posted by dino7c
He lost me at Nugent Hopkins lol
Seriously this guy plays on a pp with McDrai otherwise he would be a 30-40 point player
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Wow missed that. Was still figuring out who Krefeld and Benetiz are.
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03-12-2023, 04:27 PM
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#74
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Wow missed that. Was still figuring out who Krefeld and Benetiz are.
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They were a magic act from the 70s. Very popular in Vegas.
I'm surprised you don't remember "The Amazing Krefeld and Benetiz".
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03-12-2023, 04:59 PM
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
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Bubbsy only listed Centers. Krejci and Beniers are pretty easy to figure out. Seems people put more effort into criticizing than trying to understand it.
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03-12-2023, 05:05 PM
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Location: Dallas
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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
Bubbsy only listed Centers. Krejci and Beniers are pretty easy to figure out. Seems people put more effort into criticizing than trying to understand it.
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Yeah his point that team needs to be built with play making centers seem to be lost lol
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03-12-2023, 05:14 PM
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#77
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH (Grew up in Calgary)
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Originally Posted by bubbsy
East:
Bos - Bergeron, Marchand, Pasternak
Tor - Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Marner
Tbl - Kucherov, Point, Stamkos
Car - Necas, Svechnikov, Aho
Njd - Hughes, Hischier, Meier
Nyr - Zibanejad, Panarin
Pit - Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel
Nyi - Barzal
West:
Dal - Robertson, Hintz
Min - Kaprizov
Col - Mackinnon, Rantanen
Veg - Eichel, Stone
Lak - Kopitar, Fiala
Sea - N/A
Edm - McDavid, Draisaitl,
Wpg - Scheifele, Connor
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03-12-2023, 05:30 PM
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#78
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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
Bubbsy only listed Centers. Krejci and Beniers are pretty easy to figure out. Seems people put more effort into criticizing than trying to understand it.
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Some serious depth to this comment.
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03-12-2023, 05:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
My guess is Krefeld is Krejci, but I wouldn't put him as a "gamebreaker" even in his prime. Talented 2nd line center. That's about it.
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He lead the Stanley Cup playoffs in scoring twice en route to a cup and a finals loss, and the 3-0 collapse in 2010 started when he got knocked out of that series. There was a time when you could absolutely call him a game breaker for the Bruins.
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