[PGT] Flames lose 2-1 to Toronto

[Burning Beard]

Last year the goaltending was good - 1st in the division and Jack Adams.

How has the goaltending been this year?

But yeah it's the coach for sure... Come on.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He re-signed a guy who was going to be a UFA in Huberdeau who is in that age group, he also locked in Coleman longterm who is in that age group in the last 3 years.

Markstrom looked bad in year one as well, but he did have one good season.

For sure Brad sees the future in 30+ year old hockey players.

That wasan’t the statement being quoted. It was specifically about going out and signing UFAs. And I mentioned Coleman.

Huberdeau is the same age as Gaudreau and was given the same money as was offered to Gaudreau. If Gaudreau re-signs is that part of the narrative of “he loves older UFAs as well?

Markstrom looked great in year one until his injury. And at the end of the year. He came back too soon.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That wasan’t the statement being quoted. It was specifically about going out and signing UFAs. And I mentioned Coleman.

Huberdeau is the same age as Gaudreau and was given the same money as was offered to Gaudreau. If Gaudreau re-signs is that part of the narrative of “he loves older UFAs as well?

Markstrom looked great in year one until his injury. And at the end of the year. He came back too soon.

Either way Coleman was a free agent.

Markstrom had a .909 sv percentage before his injury, not sure that is great, it would have been good enough for 28th in the league if he could have kept it up all year. We have very low standards if 28th in the league is great.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Last year the goaltending was good - 1st in the division and Jack Adams.

How has the goaltending been this year?

But yeah it's the coach for sure... Come on.

Well, you are in a game thread where goaltending wasn't the problem.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Either way Coleman was a free agent.

Yes, and so what? I don’t consider that contract to have “burned” Treliving. The claim was that he “repeatedly” goes and gets old guys on big deals and gets burned “on the age curve”.

And I don’t think that’s happened even once. None of his signings that didn’t work out had anything to do with an age curve. And his last 3 UFA signings are not that bad. The worst is Kadri and he’s on his normal point pace. Just not fitting with his linemate well. Coleman is fine, Tanev is more than fine, Markstrom has had a terrible year (after a great one) which has nothing to do with his age.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Last year the goaltending was good - 1st in the division and Jack Adams.

How has the goaltending been this year?

But yeah it's the coach for sure... Come on.

I think even the biggest Sutter fan would realize that this has not been his best season. Lots of questionable roster decision making and bizzare media interactions that put the organization in a bad light. I'm not saying he should be fired but if he is it wouldn't be unwarranted.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think even the biggest Sutter fan would realize that this has not been his best season. Lots of questionable roster decision making and bizzare media interactions that put the organization in a bad light. I'm not saying he should be fired but if he is it wouldn't be unwarranted.

And if we didn't have terrible goaltending no one would have paid a lick of attention to it because we would be firmly in a playoff spot and talking about the postseason. Not a Fireable offense in my opinion.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Well, you are in a game thread where goaltending wasn't the problem.

We’re in a game thread where Sutter’s press conferences are being discussed. I agree, this should be a discussion about the game but here we are.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Agreed. It's alarming how many players already moved. All we can do is hope that teams like Carolina and Colorado want to match the arms race and that Buffalo and Ottawa are serious about making a push and have spent enough time building up their prospect base.

I can see Seattle possibly being buyers today as they are actually in the playoff hunt. I'm not sure what they would want/need though in terms of players.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes, and so what? I don’t consider that contract to have “burned” Treliving. The claim was that he “repeatedly” goes and gets old guys on big deals and gets burned “on the age curve”.

And I don’t think that’s happened even once. None of his signings that didn’t work out had anything to do with an age curve. And his last 3 UFA signings are not that bad. The worst is Kadri and he’s on his normal point pace. Just not fitting with his linemate well. Coleman is fine, Tanev is more than fine, Markstrom has had a terrible year (after a great one) which has nothing to do with his age.

I am sure Coleman will be great in 2025 and Kadri in 2027.

Markstrom was awful before his injury in his first year too, 28th best save percentage in the league.

Neal was burnt on age, Brouwer burnt on age. Those are two examples.

Outside of the Boston Bruins, I cannot think of a team in the NHL that has more top 9 forwards over the age of 30 than the Flames (Flames are tied with the Bruins). It may eventually work but it is an unorthodox strategy.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

No idea what happens the remainder of the season but it's obvious what 10 and 91 aren't working.

Going into next training camp I'd like to see Huberdeau - Zary - Pelletier as a line and see what he can do with two young players who also have chemistry together in their own right

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

No idea what happens the remainder of the season but it's obvious what 10 and 91 aren't working.

Going into next training camp I'd like to see Huberdeau - Zary - Pelletier as a line and see what he can do with two young players who also have chemistry together in their own right

I would hope Coronato factors in the top 6.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think even the biggest Sutter fan would realize that this has not been his best season. Lots of questionable roster decision making and bizzare media interactions that put the organization in a bad light. I'm not saying he should be fired but if he is it wouldn't be unwarranted.

The team has bought into his system, that's clear, so the team is listening and playing for him.

The dominating play by this team for 3/4 of many games, certianly the last month or so, simply and inexplicably has not translated to wins, and in game in all unravels in a few short minutes becuase a team lacks confidence. Posts don't help, nor does below average goaltending.

I've said it a few times, but recent losses, with the Flames not having to play much better, just get a finish instead of a post, or a decent timely save, has them drop 7-9 points less just in this past few weeks.
Not wishful thinking, you've seen the games and how well the Flames have held possession and generated chances...but untimely goals against really knock this team down more than other NHL teams it seems. That first came to light against the Oilers last year, when a goal against put the Flames often in a sprial, but Oilers brushed off crappy goals against and continued on.

Terrible goaltending this year is the root. Average goaltending has the team in a safe playoff space. That's not on Sutter because goalie options can't easily be changed midseason in a capped league.

Media interactions with low level attention seeking pot stirrers like Francis and Valji can't be taken seriously.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Markstrom was awful before his injury in his first year too,

No, he wasn't.

Most people on here were calling him the Flames' MVP to start the year. It was after he came back that he struggled which IMO had a lot to do with being healthy enough to play without risking further damage but not 100% recovered. He started to rebound before the season ended but it was too late.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Inferno

No, he wasn't.

Most people on here were calling him the Flames' MVP to start the year. It was after he came back that he struggled which IMO had a lot to do with being healthy enough to play without risking further damage but not 100% recovered. He started to rebound before the season ended but it was too late.

He had a .909 Save percentage before his injury (good enough for 28th in the league). If he was out MVP then we have terribly low standards.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by browna

The team has bought into his system, that's clear, so the team is listening and playing for him.

The dominating play by this team for 3/4 of many games, certianly the last month or so, simply and inexplicably has not translated to wins, and in game in all unravels in a few short minutes becuase a team lacks confidence. Posts don't help, nor does below average goaltending.

I've said it a few times, but recent losses, with the Flames not having to play much better, just get a finish instead of a post, or a decent timely save, has them drop 7-9 points less just in this past few weeks.
Not wishful thinking, you've seen the games and how well the Flames have held possession and generated chances...but untimely goals against really knock this team down more than other NHL teams it seems. That first came to light against the Oilers last year, when a goal against put the Flames often in a sprial, but Oilers brushed off crappy goals against and continued on.

Terrible goaltending this year is the root. Average goaltending has the team in a safe playoff space. That's not on Sutter because goalie options can't easily be changed midseason in a capped league.

Media interactions with low level attention seeking pot stirrers like Francis and Valji can't be taken seriously.

No offense but you are a big Sutter fan. I wouldn't expect you post anything different. It's been a bad season from him. The Flames had one of their best starts to a season in years at 5-1 and his response was to go all grumpy pants, call out Huberdeau and change all the lines and they go out and lose the next seven games. I can't remember any head coach getting in his own way and faceplanting that bad with poor decision making. I don't know if this team ever really got its footing back after that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

No offense but you are a big Sutter fan. I wouldn't expect you post anything different. It's been a bad season from him. The Flames had one of their best starts to a season in years at 5-1 and his response was to go all grumpy pants, call out Huberdeau and change all the lines and they go out and lose the next seven games. I can't remember any head coach getting in his own way and faceplanting that bad with poor decision making. I don't know if this team ever really got its footing back after that.

It is funny that Sutter got mad after their hot start and completely changed the lines. I guess he thought 6 games was enough time to integrate all the new pieces into the lineup.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

No offense but you are a big Sutter fan. I wouldn't expect you post anything different. It's been a bad season from him. The Flames had one of their best starts to a season in years at 5-1 and his response was to go all grumpy pants, call out Huberdeau and change all the lines and they go out and lose the next seven games. I can't remember any head coach getting in his own way and faceplanting that bad with poor decision making. I don't know if this team ever really got its footing back after that.

So goaltending started to suck becuase he called out Huberdeau? At the end of October?

Average goaltending has this team comfortably in the playoffs and you know it; the way the skaters have bought into his system (not right away but certainly after December) and controlled possession and play vs their opponents for the majority of games.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He had a .909 Save percentage before his injury (good enough for 28th in the league). If he was out MVP then we have terribly low standards.

Even if it was that's not "awful". From what I remember very few people were complaining about him and were worried when he got injured. It was when he came back that the complaining started.

Also, take save percentage with a grain of salt. It doesn't always tell the whole story.

[SportsJunky]

Man, that place was lousy with Leafs fans last night. It was surprising to me how much blue there was in the arena.