[Trade] Wings Trade Tyler Bertuzzi to the Bruins for a 2024 1st and 2025 4th - Page 3 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Enoch Root · 03-02-2023, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Mybe there was a good chance they were going to lose him for nothing this summer. So in that case they needed to move him.

They could always use those picks to trade for somone else and help their team now (next season).

Yes, they either decided he didn't fit, or they didn't think they could afford to sign him. So they moved him for a pick. End of story. Don't see a reason to be praising Yzerman for that (or criticizing him)

topfiverecords · 03-02-2023, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

pros: architect behind the Lightning's two most recent stanley cup wins

cons: signed ben chiarot for 4 years at a $4.75MM AAV

Will it be a con when Florida sends a 1st for him at the 2026 deadline?

jg13 · 03-02-2023, 09:24 AM

Gotta respect Yzerman. After those 2 losses to Ottawa he saw their chances of making the playoffs were less than 50% and made a decision to sell.

Wish Treliving was as decisive as Stevie.

TheIronMaiden · 03-02-2023, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jg13

Gotta respect Yzerman. After those 2 losses to Ottawa he saw their chances of making the playoffs were less than 50% and made a decision to sell.

Wish Treliving was as decisive as Stevie.

The Wings and Flames are in different trajectories. The Wings have missed the playoffs 6 and now 7 years coming.

The Flames, rightly or wrongly, went all in during the offseason to try make this a competitive playoff team.

powderjunkie · 03-02-2023, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bax

I don’t know, I thought the tear down part was supposed to be done already? The team doesn’t seem to be any closer to relevance than they were when he took over 4 years ago

DET is literally tied with OTT in the standings right now, and people are fawning over them for stomping on the gas pedal.

DET has spent two 3rds on young goalies with term. And acquired dozens of other picks. OTT has basically done the opposite.

You also gotta remember how bare DET's cupboards were after so many years of chasing their streak. They wanna build another sustainable contender, not a speed boat with a bunch of holes.

GirlySports · 03-02-2023, 09:30 AM

Bruins now have one pick in the first 3 rounds (their 2025 1st) in the next 3 drafts.

Ashasx · 03-02-2023, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Will it be a con when Florida sends a 1st for him at the 2026 deadline?

I think Florida is missing their 1st for the next millennia but i like that idea in isolation

GordonBlue · 03-02-2023, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

Bruins now have one pick in the first 3 rounds (their 2025 1st) in the next 3 drafts.

I can't blame them. This is likely their last chance to win a cup with this core.
Considering how well they've played so far, adding such quality depth will help them in the upcoming playoff war.

As others have said, the east playoffs are going to be crazy, and amazing to watch.

topfiverecords · 03-02-2023, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think Florida is missing their 1st for the next millennia but i like that idea in isolation

They'll acquire one for Barkov & Ekblad.

powderjunkie · 03-02-2023, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

pros: architect behind the Lightning's two most recent stanley cup wins

cons: signed ben chiarot for 4 years at a $4.75MM AAV

At least he didn't spend any assets on Chiarot. I didn't love their UFA spending spree at the time, but now I think it's totally fine given how disciplined they are being with their other assets

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Moving Bertuzzi does not help Detroit, it hurts them.

A 2024 1st, from Boston, is a 20-30 pick. 50% chance of getting a player, and that player probably isn't a factor until at least 2028. This doesn't help their current build at all.

I am not trying to criticize Yzerman here, but I find it hilarious that literally every thing he does, generates "Yzerman is a genius" posts.

The bolded is probably true, but I think BOS has plenty of potential to fall down to the bubble, especially if they go deep this year and Bergeron/Krejci hang them up.

dino7c · 03-02-2023, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jg13

Gotta respect Yzerman. After those 2 losses to Ottawa he saw their chances of making the playoffs were less than 50% and made a decision to sell.

Wish Treliving was as decisive as Stevie.

kinda different considering he traded a UFA that was in high demand

jg13 · 03-02-2023, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

kinda different considering he traded a UFA that was in high demand

Also traded Hronek who has another year left on his deal

GioforPM · 03-02-2023, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jg13

Gotta respect Yzerman. After those 2 losses to Ottawa he saw their chances of making the playoffs were less than 50% and made a decision to sell.

Wish Treliving was as decisive as Stevie.

The Bertuzzi deal is an expiring contract and easy to sell. The flames have no equivalent. Their exiting contracts are Lucic, Lewis, Ritchie and Stone.

Hronek has an extra year but the Calgary equivalents are more pricy and therefore there’s less of a window to move them.

jg13 · 03-02-2023, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Bertuzzi deal is an expiring contract and easy to sell. The flames have no equivalent. Their exiting contracts are Lucic, Lewis, Ritchie and Stone.

Not specifically just talking about this move.

dino7c · 03-02-2023, 10:08 AM

yeah yeah, wings are so shrewd missing the playoffs for the 7th year in a row we get it lol

GioforPM · 03-02-2023, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jg13

Not specifically just talking about this move.

I added the Hronek deal - Calgary still has no real equivalent. Their players are all expensive and/or have NMC

dino7c · 03-02-2023, 10:11 AM

If the Flames start a rebuild today and are selling and are missing the playoffs 7 years from now I have my doubts some of you would be praising them for it...I have my doubts the franchise would be in Calgary

PepsiFree · 03-02-2023, 10:18 AM

I know it’s more to do with Yzerman than this trade, but I do wonder if people would think he was as “brilliant” as they do if the Lightning hadn’t hit on Vasi with a late first, Kucherov in the 2nd, Point in the 3rd, and quality guys like Palat in the 7th. That’s just as much luck as it is talent evaluation. Their 1st round picks were mostly bad to average so without those later round steals a cup probably doesn’t happen.

Pretty lucky team. Which is why it’s a little more interesting to see his work now.

D as in David · 03-02-2023, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The Wings and Flames are in different trajectories. The Wings have missed the playoffs 6 and now 7 years coming.

The Flames, rightly or wrongly, went all in during the offseason to try make this a competitive playoff team.

Yup. The Flames trajectory is to miss the playoffs every other year for 14 years in a row.

Paulie Walnuts · 03-02-2023, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, they either decided he didn't fit, or they didn't think they could afford to sign him. So they moved him for a pick. End of story. Don't see a reason to be praising Yzerman for that (or criticizing him)

I think the Yzerman is great and making assumptions based on zero information is subtle jabs at Treliving after Johnny walked last second.