getting a little tired of the crack/meth heads

[blankall]

Originally Posted by you&me

Yeah, leave our guys alone.

Seriously though, 6 times in one year?

Sounds like it was all to the same guy. $75k, multiple times in $10k+ deals, or maybe escalating higher deals. Seems like the kind of thing a police officer would do if they were trying to rope a drug dealer into making a large deal.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

"Six times in 2019, when Abdelrazzaq was 29, he sold high-quality cocaine to an undercover police agent."

Wait wait wait, they arrested the guy selling the high-quality stuff? He's the last guy you want to arrest, go after the ones selling it cut with fentanyl.

I didn't read the article, but laughed. It reads like the officer quite enjoyed the first five sales.

[shermanator]

Interesting experience this morning on the bus.

Taking the 13 into work when a meth head carrying a big bag of bottles jumps onto 14th street trying to get on to the bus. Bus slows down and swerves around him but he lunges into the side of the bus and gets hit. Bus pulls over as they have to get police involved. Meth head then walks back up to the bus and bangs on the door trying to get in. Everyone gets off and walks to the next stop to catch the 7 or 22. Meth head then walks up to the stop we're now all waiting at and starts talking about how now we all know how long he's been waiting for the bus.

One pissed off person starts talking about how we're too lenient on drugs and telling his 3 year old what a meth head is. 3 year old then starts asking if other people on the bus are meth heads. 22 comes. A few of us jump on the bus and the meth head then cuts everyone else off arguing with the bus driver to get on the bus with his big bag of bottles, while the man with the 3 year old yells at him.

Nothing more than a 20 minute delay getting in to work and annoying a bunch of people but a first on my route.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Interesting experience this morning on the bus.

Taking the 13 into work when a meth head carrying a big bag of bottles jumps onto 14th street trying to get on to the bus. Bus slows down and swerves around him but he lunges into the side of the bus and gets hit. Bus pulls over as they have to get police involved. Meth head then walks back up to the bus and bangs on the door trying to get in. Everyone gets off and walks to the next stop to catch the 7 or 22. Meth head then walks up to the stop we're now all waiting at and starts talking about how now we all know how long he's been waiting for the bus.

One pissed off person starts talking about how we're too lenient on drugs and telling his 3 year old what a meth head is. 3 year old then starts asking if other people on the bus are meth heads. 22 comes. A few of us jump on the bus and the meth head then cuts everyone else off arguing with the bus driver to get on the bus with his big bag of bottles, while the man with the 3 year old yells at him.

Nothing more than a 20 minute delay getting in to work and annoying a bunch of people but a first on my route.

This story is a prime example of what some people who take a much more "lenient" approach to this problem never understand. These people who have serious addiction, mental health and other issues are also scary, threatening and a serious annoyance on regular people going about their lives. No doubt about it that the driver of the bus and a lot of passengers as well were also quite scared by the situation.

The people who are always demanding safe supply, safe injection sites, decriminalization etc never have an answer for how we reduce social disorder. How do we reduce that fear, annoyance and general decline of the area and of society in this regard?

For a lot of people, people who usually are not directly affected by these situations, it's always the same talking points Living in suburban homes, on quite, safe streets and nitpicking 30 km/h speed limit's to keep the area safe but are completely ok with the worst of the worst enacting carnage on the downtown streets and for residents, visitors and business owners to literally and figuratively deal with the sh**.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by curves2000

This story is a prime example of what some people who take a much more "lenient" approach to this problem never understand. These people who have serious addiction, mental health and other issues are also scary, threatening and a serious annoyance on regular people going about their lives. No doubt about it that the driver of the bus and a lot of passengers as well were also quite scared by the situation.

The people who are always demanding safe supply, safe injection sites, decriminalization etc never have an answer for how we reduce social disorder. How do we reduce that fear, annoyance and general decline of the area and of society in this regard?

For a lot of people, people who usually are not directly affected by these situations, it's always the same talking points Living in suburban homes, on quite, safe streets and nitpicking 30 km/h speed limit's to keep the area safe but are completely ok with the worst of the worst enacting carnage on the downtown streets and for residents, visitors and business owners to literally and figuratively deal with the sh**.

This is silly and pretty over the top reaction.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Wormius

This is silly and pretty over the top reaction.

I disagree. It might be considered “over the top” by you specifically, but what about younger people, maybe some females also feel the way Curves describes it.

The reality is that this isn’t just a “how does it affect me personally” problem. It’s more how does it affect the general public and some of the younger, or more vulnerable people in our society.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by Wormius

This is silly and pretty over the top reaction.

What makes it ok for a bus full of people to have their day ####ed up?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by you&me

What makes it ok for a bus full of people to have their day ####ed up?

If that messes up your day then anything will.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by Wormius

If that messes up your day then anything will.

What? No.

These are people going about their day, relying on transit to get them to work / school / appointments on time.

I honestly don't know what to say to you if you think this is OK?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I disagree. It might be considered “over the top” by you specifically, but what about younger people, maybe some females also feel the way Curves describes it.

The reality is that this isn’t just a “how does it affect me personally” problem. It’s more how does it affect the general public and some of the younger, or more vulnerable people in our society.

Okay, but you’re now projecting what you think people should feel in this given scenario and again infantilizing women. I think if you look at the number of people who are using transit, it paints a different picture than this “we’re all being terrorized by intoxicated bottle collectors and can’t use public transit and we’re going to be assaulted” hyperbole. I mean, in reality the biggest annoyances that occur on anywhere on public transit aren’t some one-off inebriated guys slumped over or doing drugs; it’s the people who act like the ones being described in the GG thread on airplanes. I’d rather sit next to the guy trying to light his crack pipe than the guy playing candy crush with the volume up high or whose EDM is bleeding through his headphones.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by you&me

What? No.

These are people going about their day, relying on transit to get them to work / school / appointments on time.

I honestly don't know what to say to you if you think this is OK?

I feel very bad for the heart transplant recipient whose surgeon was sadly delayed.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Wormius

If that messes up your day then anything will.

Being late to work gets people reprimanded, fired, or not even allowed on to the job site to begin with. I have been denied entry to a job site on multiple occasions for being late because someone was being stupid on transit. And quite honestly, I'm sure I could of have had video proving the whole thing but nobody in a position of authority on a site with everything going on with so many people to deal with is going to give a crap.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I’d rather sit next to the guy trying to light his crack pipe than the guy playing candy crush with the volume up high or whose EDM is bleeding through his headphones

I will personally arrange the crack heads, the crack, the crack pipes, the bus, and a bunch of people all playing Candy Crush with EDM without headphones to see this.

What a stupid, stupid thing to say.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Okay, but you’re now projecting what you think people should feel in this given scenario and again infantilizing women. I think if you look at the number of people who are using transit, it paints a different picture than this “we’re all being terrorized by intoxicated bottle collectors and can’t use public transit and we’re going to be assaulted” hyperbole. I mean, in reality the biggest annoyances that occur on anywhere on public transit aren’t some one-off inebriated guys slumped over or doing drugs; it’s the people who act like the ones being described in the GG thread on airplanes. I’d rather sit next to the guy trying to light his crack pipe than the guy playing candy crush with the volume up high or whose EDM is bleeding through his headphones.

Is second hand smoke a concern at all? I honestly don’t know, but personally would not want to inhale it. I would prefer the candy crush gamer.

[81MC]

Yeah I love sharing a confined space with a random stranger fresh off a crack-cocaine hit. Way less predictable and stable than those silly children and their iPhone games…yeah ####ing right you’d rather chill with hardcore drug users on your way to work. Nothing over the top or dramatic there.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I’d rather sit next to the guy trying to light his crack pipe than the guy playing candy crush with the volume up high or whose EDM is bleeding through his headphones.

Oh c'mon. Even the most sympathetic person can't possibly believe this. The smell of a person who hasn't bathed in days holding a bag of empties and lighting a crack pipe is far from pleasant.

I was sitting in McDonald's a couple of weeks ago, and a person experiencing homelessness decided to do a full pant readjustment on the way out, giving everyone sitting near the exit a strong whiff of what was inside. I can guarantee you that smell was far more unpleasant than Candy Crush. Particularly when eating.

On top of that there's actual health concerns created by people leaving bodily fluids and drug paraphernalia, like pipes and syringes, around.

[Sliver]

WTF, wormius. You'll hang with crackheads all day long, but you wouldn't even let me take your new bidet for a spin a couple years ago? I don't get you.

[chemgear]

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...ns-councillors

‘My constituents are not safe’: Drug use, violence on CTrains alarm councillors

Susan Crockett is a chef who takes transit into work downtown five times a week. She said she’s seen fights, sexual intercourse, urination, defecation and drug overdoses on the transit system, and called on the city to work to make these spaces more safe for transit users.

“I feel completely unsafe . . . I literally carry a pocket knife on me now as the situations seem to be escalating since the stations closed,” Crockett said, referring to the city decision last month to close three LRT stations overnight to prevent homeless Calgarians from using the sites as shelters.

“City and transit have to work together to keep their citizens safe. Closing stations to the public and ignoring the problem isn’t the answer, especially when transit keeps increasing their prices for worse and worse service. I pay $7.20 a day to play with my safety.”

Sunalta Community Association vice-president Michael Jones said his community is pushing for solutions to transit safety, as residents increasingly report feeling unsafe while navigating the city.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by curves2000

This story is a prime example of what some people who take a much more "lenient" approach to this problem never understand. These people who have serious addiction, mental health and other issues are also scary, threatening and a serious annoyance on regular people going about their lives. No doubt about it that the driver of the bus and a lot of passengers as well were also quite scared by the situation.

The people who are always demanding safe supply, safe injection sites, decriminalization etc never have an answer for how we reduce social disorder. How do we reduce that fear, annoyance and general decline of the area and of society in this regard?

For a lot of people, people who usually are not directly affected by these situations, it's always the same talking points Living in suburban homes, on quite, safe streets and nitpicking 30 km/h speed limit's to keep the area safe but are completely ok with the worst of the worst enacting carnage on the downtown streets and for residents, visitors and business owners to literally and figuratively deal with the sh**.

Every safe injection site safe supply store is a chance at an intervention. It more than doubles the coverage to correct behaviors. Without these infostructures there are only limited and underfunded NGOs and an Already overworked police force. Safe injection et all is not in opposition to law and order it is another venue to monitor and intervene.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Sliver

WTF, wormius. You'll hang with crackheads all day long, but you wouldn't even let me take your new bidet for a spin a couple years ago? I don't get you.

I probably should have let you. I had to return it after it sprung a leak and nearly destroyed the ceiling below. We’ll make a date when I get a new one.