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Poe969 · 02-22-2023, 09:43 AM

What do you do if a bubble team offers an unprotected 2023 first and top prospect for Lindholm at 50% or a team like the pens offers something crazy for Backlund? Everyone should be available.

If you'd consider trading them next year, what's the difference? This team isn't 1 piece away from being a contender. Every roster player should be available for the right price.

bax · 02-22-2023, 09:48 AM

Why are people clamoring to sell? We don’t have anything to sell. No contenders have the cap space to take on players with additional years on their contracts.

Jiri Hrdina · 02-22-2023, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

What do you do if a bubble team offers an unprotected 2023 first and top prospect for Lindholm at 50% or a team like the pens offers something crazy for Backlund? Everyone should be available.

If you'd consider trading them next year, what's the difference? This team isn't 1 piece away from being a contender. Every roster player should be available for the right price.

Teams offering an unprotected 2023 first can do so because they know it's not a lottery pick. So it's kinda pointless.
I know people are keen on this draft, but there likely isn't a path to get a mid to high 1st in this draft at this stage.

Vinny01 · 02-22-2023, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bax

Why are people clamoring to sell? We don’t have anything to sell. No contenders have the cap space to take on players with additional years on their contracts.

I think because we hear about how teams love the multiple playoff runs and not getting a pure rental. Flames have some pretty nice contracts coming up at the end of next year

Sec214 · 02-22-2023, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bax

Why are people clamoring to sell? We don’t have anything to sell. No contenders have the cap space to take on players with additional years on their contracts.

Teams don't have to worry about that till the summer.

Geeoff · 02-22-2023, 09:56 AM

Looks like the Flames only have Milan Lucic, Trevor Lewis, Brett Ritchie, Michael Stone to sell. Would these players all pass waivers? I think they might. Maybe Lewis could get a late pick.

Sec214 · 02-22-2023, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Geeoff

Looks like the Flames only have Milan Lucic, Trevor Lewis, Brett Ritchie, Michael Stone to sell. Would these players all pass waivers? I think they might. Maybe Lewis could get a late pick.

Yikes, They have a whole roster to sell... Those are just guys without a contract for next season.

SuperMatt18 · 02-22-2023, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Geeoff

Looks like the Flames only have Milan Lucic, Trevor Lewis, Brett Ritchie, Michael Stone to sell. Would these players all pass waivers? I think they might. Maybe Lewis could get a late pick.

Somebody would give a 3rd for Lucic if you retain cap. Lewis too probably.

The real value they could sell are the 6 UFAs next year.

Sell to teams looking for 2 cup runs with a player.

Monahammer · 02-22-2023, 10:03 AM

The 2024 draft is also weak AF compared to this draft. It's all about maximizing our swings in this draft.

Monahammer · 02-22-2023, 10:04 AM

We took toffoli with multiple years left as a deadline add. In fact, tre has stated his preference for this type of acquisition. Not sure why its suddenly unpalatable for others to consider. A cost controlled hanifin and toffoli should have significant value.

Sec214 · 02-22-2023, 10:07 AM

Retain the max and get tons of assets.

Toffoli - 1st Rounder or 2nd Bluechip
Lindholm - 1st ++
Backlund - 1st +
Tanev - 1st or 2nd Bluechip
Hanafin - This guy I would resign but you listen as well.

Play some 4D Chess to get markstrom a new home and bobs your uncle.

Look the org went for it as best as the could, our superstars left and the current team isnt working. This organization cannot afford to lose assets for nothing for awhile. You can't live you life saying "Maybe next year" they'll sort it out, what if they don't?

Gio, Monahan and Johnny didn't get sold. All because of what Loyalty/chance to resign? give me a break this is pro sports.

Geeoff · 02-22-2023, 10:09 AM

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Yikes, They have a whole roster to sell... Those are just guys without a contract for next season.

Well, usually it is guys with expiring deals that get moved at the deadline. Not that it is 100% the case. I do think the Flames would probably want to take another shot at playoffs next year, so they're not gonna be trading Backlund or Lindholm. And if you do want to move them, there's no real rush to do so at this year's deadline.

Jiri Hrdina · 02-22-2023, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

The 2024 draft is also weak AF compared to this draft. It's all about maximizing our swings in this draft.

Once you get into the 20s I don't think this draft is materially better.
It's better at the very top, and through the mid teens.
And you aren't getting those picks.

Sec214 · 02-22-2023, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Geeoff

Well, usually it is guys with expiring deals that get moved at the deadline. Not that it is 100% the case. I do think the Flames would probably want to take another shot at playoffs next year, so they're not gonna be trading Backlund or Lindholm

Found the guy that eats up wolf tickets and prays maybe next year they'll sort it out. With what? Even less room to improve the roster with new deals kicking in?

Sec214 · 02-22-2023, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Once you get into the 20s I don't think this draft is materially better.
It's better at the very top, and through the mid teens.
And you aren't getting those picks.

You have your own Top 15 + Whatever you can acquire in the 15-30 Range.

Monahammer · 02-22-2023, 10:15 AM

I think its very possible to land a pick in the 15-23 range, and there are some dynamite prospects available in that range. And no, I challenge that jiri. Next year is looking pretty weak by normal standards, not just comparatively to this draft. A late 1st in 2024 is like a late 2nd this year imo.

Jiri Hrdina · 02-22-2023, 10:15 AM

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Found the guy that eats up wolf tickets and prays maybe next year they'll sort it out. With what? Even less room to improve the roster with new deals kicking in?

I think it's more that some folks recognize the reality of what the team is trying to do (win now) v. what they may want them to do (rebuild).

Reality v. fantasy.

Jiri Hrdina · 02-22-2023, 10:17 AM

If the team wants to try to compete next season (which is highly likely) but believe the mix of players is off, then they will likely try to change that in the off-season because that's when that business gets done.
I can't see a world where this organization sells off core players for picks. That's not what they are trying to do.

Monahammer · 02-22-2023, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think it's more that some folks recognize the reality of what the team is trying to do (win now) v. what they may want them to do (rebuild).

Reality v. fantasy.

You have that reversed. Ownership is living the fantasy notion that this garbage ass roster even has a shot at winning now. If you can't stomach a full rebuild then pull what Armstrong is up to. He's clowning the hell out of us right now. 3 2023 1sts!

Sec214 · 02-22-2023, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think it's more that some folks recognize the reality of what the team is trying to do (win now) v. what they may want them to do (rebuild).

Reality v. fantasy.

This team isnt winning, this team isnt making the playoffs. 7 Points back of the oilers/kraken for 3rd in the pacific and 4 back of a wildcard tied in games with the wild.