Too early to panic about Markstrom

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by Locke

'Member that time ages ago when Markstrom was shortlisted for the Vezina?

I’m on the record saying that even during that time, there was something about him I didn’t trust. Never felt confident in him during big games.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You don’t understand. Disagreeing about this or that goal and what could have been done is defending Markstrom generally. Or pointing out a huge defensive lapse on a goal is taking 100% of the blame away from him.

I think there’s a difference between posters who comment on the game generally, good and bad, and those who pop up just to comment on one player. And so called “defenders” don’t do the latter, only certain critics. It doesn’t just happen with him. Happens with Huberdeau, Kadri, hell it happens with Sutter. Just different posters.

It is fun to enjoy the narrative that Flames fans cheering for and defending (defined in this case as not going full meltdown in expressing hatred) the play of Flames players on a Flames message board are somehow the bad guys though.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

I’m on the record saying that even during that time, there was something about him I didn’t trust. Never felt confident in him during big games.

It really seems to be his positioning, and how his saves can appear more dramatic than necessary with how much open net is available post save. He's doesn't seem to play a strong, poised game where he can make the first save, but be in good position for the second save also if there's a rebound.

I can't remember if he was a lot more stable in the crease last season, but it's very apparent this year. If there's a difference, that's the biggest tell that it comes from a lack of confidence.

[BlindMilwaukee]

I’m sure you guys have brought this up in the last 43 pages..

But man, the Flames need to do what they can to get Ian Clark reunited with Marky.

[genetic_phreek]

A lot of people blame Markstrom for the loss in the Oilers series and I went back to watch all the goals and most of them were poor defensive breakdowns to 2 on 1s and breakaways. I don't blame him for that series, but last night that was 100% on Markstrom.

[Infinit47]

Of the 32 goalies who have played the most minutes Markstrom ranks a stout 27th in GSAA/60.

Not even close to good enough.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

A lot of people blame Markstrom for the loss in the Oilers series and I went back to watch all the goals and most of them were poor defensive breakdowns to 2 on 1s and breakaways. I don't blame him for that series, but last night that was 100% on Markstrom.

Nah, even last night wasn't 100% on him. First goal - breakaway to Tkachuk from the blue line in with no pressure. 2nd and 3rd goal - no puck retrieval, no net clearing, no passes stopped, like they'd been doing all game. He dropped a rebound in tight on a tough shot. That happens and it's on him, but Batherson wasn't tied up and they should have even been in the zone anyway. Third goal was a really well executed play.

OT goal, now THAT was 100% on him. Outside shot with no pass option and he was still moving into postion.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Nah, even last night wasn't 100% on him. First goal - breakaway to Tkachuk from the blue line in with no pressure. 2nd and 3rd goal - no puck retrieval, no net clearing, no passes stopped, like they'd been doing all game. He dropped a rebound in tight on a tough shot. That happens and it's on him, but Batherson wasn't tied up and they should have even been in the zone anyway. Third goal was a really well executed play.

OT goal, now THAT was 100% on him. Outside shot with no pass option and he was still moving into postion.

This is what I was referring to. You need to make that save. I don't think he played bad but that last goal was absolutely terrible.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

This is what I was referring to. You need to make that save. I don't think he played bad but that last goal was absolutely terrible.

He does have an issue with shots from that side IMO. Though that one went in a different way.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Nah, even last night wasn't 100% on him. First goal - breakaway to Tkachuk from the blue line in with no pressure. 2nd and 3rd goal - no puck retrieval, no net clearing, no passes stopped, like they'd been doing all game. He dropped a rebound in tight on a tough shot. That happens and it's on him, but Batherson wasn't tied up and they should have even been in the zone anyway. Third goal was a really well executed play.

OT goal, now THAT was 100% on him. Outside shot with no pass option and he was still moving into postion.

He flubbed the catch on the second goal and dropped the rebound right into the slot. I think that goal is on him as well. This isn't the old days when you can Murder someone in front of the net.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

He flubbed the catch on the second goal and dropped the rebound right into the slot. I think that goal is on him as well.

The post you quoted says exactly this.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

The post you quoted says exactly this.

I was trying to say I blame him more for missing the catch than the defender for not tying up the forward.

We are asking the defender to defend a rebound that shouldn't have been there and placing equal blame on the defender. Add to that this was a 6 on 5 situation with the skaters outnumbered and it was even more important for Markstrom to catch that puck.

His glove side has been especially terrible all year.

Markstrom lost that game, as he has with a number of other games this year.

[jg13]

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I was trying to say I blame him more for missing the catch than the defender for not tying up the forward.

We are asking the defender to defend a rebound that shouldn't have been there and placing equal blame on the defender. Add to that this was a 6 on 5 situation with the skaters outnumbered and it was even more important for Markstrom to catch that puck.

His glove side has been especially terrible all year.

Markstrom lost that game, as he has with a number of other games this year.

Meh, it was a difficult save to try with his glove - it was kind of cross body to catch. But rebounds always happen, especially with shots through traffic like that one. There were two players on his glove side and some on the other too. He could have not had a rebound, but you don't just stand there and assume it. The defenceman didn't even seem to realize what was happening, and Batherson did.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

A lot of people blame Markstrom for the loss in the Oilers series and I went back to watch all the goals and most of them were poor defensive breakdowns to 2 on 1s and breakaways. I don't blame him for that series, but last night that was 100% on Markstrom.

Yeah goalies should never be expected to save a shot as a result of a breakdown right? Especially at the top level in the world being paid as an elite goaltender!

Sarcasm aside, did you watch the Oilers celebrate after every shot they put right at his glove that he missed? I seem to recall a lot of smirking from them after every time because it was so easy.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Yeah goalies should never be expected to save a shot as a result of a breakdown right? Especially at the top level in the world being paid as an elite goaltender!

Sarcasm aside, did you watch the Oilers celebrate after every shot they put right at his glove that he missed? I seem to recall a lot of smirking from them after every time because it was so easy.

No kidding. He let in so many goals to his glove size.... well who wouldn't when you make yourself a 5'5 goalie and open up half the net.

He should talk to Wolf about positioning in net...

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by BlindMilwaukee

I’m sure you guys have brought this up in the last 43 pages..

But man, the Flames need to do what they can to get Ian Clark reunited with Marky.

Well Clark has 3 years left after this on his contract. Canucks won't let him come to Calgary

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Meh, it was a difficult save to try with his glove - it was kind of cross body to catch. But rebounds always happen, especially with shots through traffic like that one. There were two players on his glove side and some on the other too. He could have not had a rebound, but you don't just stand there and assume it. The defenceman didn't even seem to realize what was happening, and Batherson did.

Even if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt on the 2nd and 3rd goal. At the end of the day, the Sens had 19 shots on goal when they scored the second goal and 25 after the game winning goal in OT. That is 3 goals in six shots, your 6-million-dollar goalie needs to stop at least 1 of those goals if not 2.

This game should have never even got to OT. It really is that simple, He loses his net consistently, his glove has been terrible, his rebound control has been nonexistent. Sure, he has made a few 10 bell second saves, but only because he has been way out of position, or given up a bad rebound etc. If he was playing calm and making himself look big, those 10 bell saves he would just be there and not having to be windmilling, scorpion or stacking. I can't think of a game this year that Markstrom has stolen a point for this team.

Either keep playing him and sell anyone of value to rebuild and hopefully get a top 10 pick. Or start playing the goalie who is giving the team a chance to win every night, as opposed to the one giving the team a chance to lose. With Markstrom in net its a 5-4 league and we don't have the finishing power to get to 5 on most nights.

[activeStick]

A survey of players and NHL executives found Markstrom as the 8th best goalie in the NHL. This should be interesting.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/ins...yers-vote-best

Follow the bouncing goalie.

Markstrom was fourth in Vezina voting in 2019-20, his last season in Vancouver before free agency. His first campaign in Calgary? Not so good with a .904 save percentage. But then a full season of Darryl Sutter as head coach led to Markstrom posting an NHL-best nine shutouts to finish second for the Vezina Trophy. This season? Markstrom has a dismal .892 save percentage in 35 games and just 1.5 goals saved above expected.

But he received one vote each for fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh place in our surveys.

One Western Conference executive said Markstrom shouldn't make the cut this year and didn't really impress last season, either. "Markstrom has had a tough year, and would have probably been No. 9 last year, in my opinion," the exec said.

1. Vasilevskiy
2. Shesterkin
3. Hellebuyck
4. Sorokin
5. Oettinger
6. Saros
7. Ullmark
8. Markstrom
9. Gibson
10. Hart

[DeluxeMoustache]

Well there we go. Based on feelings, the Flames have a top third tendy!


But seriously, I think the team has really been horrible with the gifts and grade A’s this year

I don’t like his rebound control or post save recovery far too often. But I didn’t like it last year. Mentioned it a couple of times but everyone kept shouting about his Vezina nom

He is an average to slightly above average goalie, imo. Was never worth the contract. Good for him

Having said that….

They need to cut down on grade A’s in the first two shots. Breakaway for Tkachuk is inexcusable

The two late goals yesterday
- rebound batted out of mid air - rebounds are as available to defenders as to offense, and that was great hand eye
- a perfect one timer up high. Great puck movement and not a reasonably stoppable shot, based on placement

I absolutely detest the “well let’s count the shots and decide he just needs to make a save”. #### off with that nonsense.