Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Yikes

I follow you as well and like your stuff...what can I say? At least I am honest.

You can say you are ashamed by your views and are trying to change them going forward.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Yikes

For you, yes because I follow you and like your humour as well as most of your stuff. Having said what I said I would also not like it if the Bloc held the same power. NOW...here is what my comment is about, I would NEVER vote for a Quebec politician simply because regardless of what they say there is an ulterior motive that has nothing to do with Canada. It is there and it ain't going away. When guys like Singh get power and start to use words like "my community" or "our community" trust me it has nothing to do with some community in Gander. I do understand that that makes me come across as a bigot which is hard for me as a Canadian...I buy and import product from India monthly and deal with Hindu, Sikh and Muslim all of the time, fact is they roll a certain way and in Canada it has nothing to do with assimilation...exactly the opposite. Bit by bit I believe that they are the racists.

It's fair to criticize an individual politician for catering to one group over another. Nothing wrong with that. But you must be able to see that by using Sikh as the target, you are painting a group with the same brush. Criticize Singh all you want, but if you go further by applying it to a group, don't be surprised at the reaction.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Do you believe that Cultural Anglo Protestants prioritize their community over other entho-religious groups?

I know a little history and in fact have had the same kind of discussion with friends over pints and the answer is yes. Both of my parents are from Copenhagen, I am born Canadian. I think the big issue is maybe the speed at which these changes are taking place now in Canada vs a number of years ago. I get that.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's fair to criticize an individual politician for catering to one group over another. Nothing wrong with that. But you must be able to see that by using Sikh as the target, you are painting a group with the same brush. Criticize Singh all you want, but if you go further by applying it to a group, don't be surprised at the reaction.

Not just the Sikh, those Muslims, Sikhs, and Hindus, they're all the same! They won't assimilate! I'm not racist, they're racist!

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's fair to criticize an individual politician for catering to one group over another. Nothing wrong with that. But you must be able to see that by using Sikh as the target, you are painting a group with the same brush. Criticize Singh all you want, but if you go further by applying it to a group, don't be surprised at the reaction.

Fair enough and you are of course correct. I guess I see it as in my face more than others because of my involvement in all forms of construction and how things are playing out in the labour market on that front.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Fair enough and you are of course correct. I guess I see it as in my face more than others because of my involvement in all forms of construction and how things are playing out in the labour market on that front.

Wrong again

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Fair enough and you are of course correct. I guess I see it as in my face more than others because of my involvement in all forms of construction and how things are playing out in the labour market on that front.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Yikes

I know a little history and in fact have had the same kind of discussion with friends over pints and the answer is yes. Both of my parents are from Copenhagen, I am born Canadian. I think the big issue is maybe the speed at which these changes are taking place now in Canada vs a number of years ago. I get that.

Even if you do see them as racist, the answer to racism isn't more racism.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Yikes

I know a little history and in fact have had the same kind of discussion with friends over pints and the answer is yes. Both of my parents are from Copenhagen, I am born Canadian. I think the big issue is maybe the speed at which these changes are taking place now in Canada vs a number of years ago. I get that.

How do you feel about Europeans and Euro North Americans not assimilating or complying to the original inhabitants of this lands laws, politics and customs?

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Torture

Not just the Sikh, those Muslims, Sikhs, and Hindus, they're all the same! They won't assimilate! I'm not racist, they're racist!

Also fair enough, so for the most part I have no issue asking questions of anyone, it's how I learn. You want to find something out, ask. So maybe you should ask Hindu/Sikh/Muslim home builders/suppliers why they don't hire outside of their "communities"? Go ahead and ask nicely, I do all of the time. When you get the answer ask yourself who is the racist.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Also fair enough, so for the most part I have no issue asking questions of anyone, it's how I learn. You want to find something out, ask. So maybe you should ask Hindu/Sikh/Muslim home builders/suppliers why they don't hire outside of their "communities"? Go ahead and ask nicely, I do all of the time. When you get the answer ask yourself who is the racist.

Why are you making racist remarks?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Why are you making racist remarks?

cuz he is a racist?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

cuz he is a racist?

Oh I see, it all makes sense now. Glad I asked a question so I could learn something.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by The Myth of Reverse Racism

While assumptions and stereotypes about white people do exist, this is considered racial prejudice, not racism. Racial prejudice refers to a set of discriminatory or derogatory attitudes based on assumptions derived from perceptions about race and/or skin colour. Thus, racial prejudice can indeed be directed at white people (e.g., “White people can’t dance”) but is not considered racism because of the systemic relationship to power. When backed with power, prejudice results in acts of discrimination and oppression against groups or individuals. In Canada, white people hold this cultural power due to Eurocentric modes of thinking, rooted in colonialism, that continue to reproduce and privilege whiteness. It is whiteness that has the power to define the terms of racialized others’ existence.

Originally Posted by The Myth of Reverse Racism

"we should not confuse the occasional mistreatment experienced by whites at the hands of people of color with the systematic and institutionalized mistreatment experienced by people of color at the hands of whites” (p. 2). While expressions of racial prejudice directed at white people may hurt the white person/people individually or personally, and are never to be condoned, they do not have the power or authority to affect the white person's social/economic/political location and privileges.

Originally Posted by The Myth of Reverse Racism

Reverse racism is a myth because it attempts to ignore the power/privilege dynamic between the individuals/groups involved; the myth of reverse racism assumes that racism occurs on a so-called level playing field, when in actuality, it does not.

https://www.aclrc.com/myth-of-reverse-racism

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

All of which is incredibly ironic because it is an attempt to co-opt the power instilled in a particular term - racism - and re-define it in a manner that suits people with a particular ideology so that it can safely be weaponized without having to worry about having it turned around.

Trying to change the meaning of loaded terms to help one's ideological agenda is a pretty standard page out of a very sketchy playbook.

... which, it should go without saying but I suddenly realize it doesn't because people are idiots, does not in any way detract from the obvious racism in Yikes's post about Singh

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

All of which is incredibly ironic because it is an attempt to co-opt the power instilled in a particular term - racism - and re-define it in a manner that suits people with a particular ideology so that it can safely be weaponized without having to worry about having it turned around.

Trying to change the meaning of loaded terms to help one's ideological agenda is a pretty standard page out of a very sketchy playbook.

Are you referring to torture post on racial prejudice versus racism as changing a loaded term?

Or are you referring to people claiming racism against white people changing the meaning of a loaded term?

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You can say you are ashamed by your views and are trying to change them going forward.

Hey...it's not like I'm proud of my questionable attitude, I am a full on Canuck and the offspring of Danish immigrants but I do see it for what it is thru my eyes. Some agree, some don't and I'm good with that.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GGG

Are you referring to torture post on racial prejudice versus racism as changing a loaded term?

Or are you referring to people claiming racism against white people changing the meaning of a loaded term?

I'm referring to Torture's post, which reflects an attempt to re-define racism such that it cannot be applied to bigotry against certain races. Notwithstanding the difference between certain types of racist animus, their motivations, context and impact, bigotry on grounds of skin colour is all racism and the author is simply attempting to redefine the word in a way that's politically useful to the ideology he espouses, because the word "racism" itself has a lot of power. If you can convince people that it can only be used in the way that you and the people who are politically aligned with you want to use it, you win the day.

And again, in a depressing attempt to head off the stupid or intellectually dishonest, that should not be taken as any suggestion that the vast majority of white people who whine about "reverse racism" are anything but completely full of ####.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm referring to Torture's post, which reflects an attempt to re-define racism such that it cannot be applied to bigotry against certain races. Notwithstanding the difference between certain types of racist animus, their motivations, context and impact, bigotry on grounds of skin colour is all racism and the author is simply attempting to refine the word in a way that's politically useful to the ideology he espouses, because the word "racism" itself has a lot of power. If you can convince people that it can only be used in the way that you and the people who are politically aligned with you want to use it, you win the day.

And again, in a depressing attempt to head off the stupid or intellectually dishonest, that should not be taken as any suggestion that the vast majority of white people who whine about "reverse racism" are anything but completely full of ####.

Please, go ahead and ask the question when you are in a liquor store or on a jobsite. Go ahead and ask, just do it. You will get the "our community" answer. 100% every time.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I have no idea what question you're suggesting I should ask, but regardless... nah, I'm good.