[PGT] Flames lose to Blues 4-3 OTL

[JohnnyB]

Can't believe they lost it in the end. I left at the end of the second thinking they had it in the bag.

The difference between this season and last season has been the top players; the top scorers not scoring enough, and the top goalie not stopping enough. Seems like that struck again. Markstrom letting in goals he shouldn't, and nobody to win it in OT.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The answer is not to trade Markstrom. The answer is to give him fewer starts. Really is that simple IMO.

yep

I don't see vladar being worse, at the very least

and IF vladar shows he can hold the fort, options open up for you

[jg13]

Bring up Wolf and rotate the three goalies like we did when we had Ortio/Berra/Ramo

[Goriders]

Just finished watching the game. Kadri messed up in OT. After he made his pass to Huberdeau then floated off into the corner.

Markstrom’s 3rd goal against was shakey.

Win Thursday and we get 3 out of 4. Don’t have any choice but to move on and be ready for game 2.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The answer is not to trade Markstrom. The answer is to give him fewer starts. Really is that simple IMO.

Agreed. Not going to happen.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

this is the best way I can put it.. Markstrom is generally pretty good and competitive in net, he just finds way to lose games at key moments

people who say "but he's been good" or "better" aren't even wrong

he just still finds ways to lose

it might be a bad 2 minute stretch, or even 30 seconds where the fundamentals are MIA. but that's all it takes, and is usually the difference

he's paid and expected to make not all of those saves at key times, but at least some of them, and more than he has this season

that's the bottom line

if he's saving over 90% of the shots put his way, no matter how he gets to that number, the team is way better off and comfortably in the playoffs right now. but we need him at that number

it is the benchmark for nhlers, generally

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They may not unless they block all the shots but we might have to adjust how we play to adjust to the goalie being a sieve.

They actually should trying to just let Markstrom get peppered. Obviously he can't handle low metric games. Let him face 40 a night and it could be a good thing.

[Mr.Coffee]

I’m not sure when Sutter decided it no longer needed to operate as a meritocracy, but it’s been his worst characteristic this season and yeah, arguably should be a fireable offense since it’s going to cost us Phillips who is going to go off to another team and be St.Louis / Savard 3.0. If I was Phillips I’d be asking the Flames to please try to trade me to anywhere since my career is on the line and there’s nothing more I can do to get into the Flames with a true legitimate shot. Ditto for Pelletier.

Meanwhile we have big name players having huge stretches of games playing like dog####. Old Sutter would have bumped big names down the lineup. This year? Enshrined stations on lines and grumpy face. Hey, why don’t you, oh I dunno, ####ing do something Sutter? Sit people. Move fresh bodies into the line up full of piss and vinegar.

Sorry as displayed by the Blues tonight- the difference between the AHL and the NHL is NOT THAT BIG. It’s in fact likely never been narrower. So many players can slide into NHL lineups and look fine / not out of place. This mystique that the NHL is somehow “a grown man’s league” and the AHL “a boys league” is straight up total BS for the last few years as contracts and the CBA have dictated that teams move more youth from the farm into NHL rosters. Calgary needs to pull heads out of asses at a managerial / coaching level and demote poor play and promote good play from the farm pushing for spots. It is not acceptable to watch whatever Lindholm was dojnh tonight. Bench his ass and move up Duerr or others who are ready to skate and play. Kadri couldn’t have been more disinterested in the 3rd. Why the #### is he starting in OT and look at that horrendous “back check” where he pretends to look like he’s “skating really hard” and the straight up stops at the end. If he was actually going hard the whole way he would have broken up that pass and that cost the team a point. Just lazy.

Get Phillips and Pelletier in and move some bodies to the farm. No reason whatsoever you can’t move guys up and down more. Oh no- somebody might claim Coleman? He makes a billion dollars so no, nobody will and who cares if they do. I believe I was told a couple days ago he’s “elite” which is laughable. What this team needs is a gigantic kick in the ass, and obviously Sutter is not pulling the right strings which is straight up shortening ice time and his bench.

This should be a meritocracy. People are not entitled to ice time.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

Against the blackhawks, and the Blues that were missing 8 regulars. Basically two AHL teams.

That’s good enough?

Yup good enough. It's an 82-game schedule and only getting one point on a road trip game isnt going to dictate the outcome of this season, regardless of the opponent

Flames played a decent game. In the past 10-15 games, theyre probably the better team at least 3 out of every 4 games. Trajectory for this team continues to be upwards.

I don't know how some posters get so emotional over one point within that context. I get being disappointed, but I don't get the rage and "blow it up" comments after every loss.

I like this team. I like how it's constructed. I like the maturity of the players. I like the on-going improvement in the team game. I like Sutter's system. Come playoff time, I'm pretty sure I'll be willing to take this team over any other within the conference over a seven game series.

On to the next one.

[Mr.Coffee]

I’m really not sure Calgary will make the playoffs. If they do I think they could be okay as I presume some of these guys will be more interested on a consistent basis but the inconsistency, something Sutter claims the “young guys are” (when it’s in fact the vets) might not get them into the playoffs.

Seriously, if they want to make the playoffs they legitimately need a win streak. This lose one win one lose one in OT BS will not cut it. And get some ####ing competition going in the line up. Easy decisions here. Phillips should be line 1 next game not even joking.

[Enoch Root]

Markstrom wasn't good, and his play cost us a W.

But this game is on Sutter - Markstrom should never have been in the net in the first place. And the complete lack of preparation for OT is on the coaching as well.

Sutter is just being stubborn at this point, and he's sinking the season. As Mr.Coffee said above, there is no meritocracy this year, Sutter is just determined to prove that his way is the only way.

And it's too bad, because this team is close - it's right there, with a season-saving winning streak just waiting for them to take it. But making the necessary changes just isn't on the table.

[CGY12]

How many times have they lost to bad teams? Tonight they lost to a Blues team ravaged by injury. If they make the playoffs, is this team good enough to do damage? In year 1 of the overhaul I don't think so. Does that mean punt on the season? No, but considering how this veteran group has faired in the first 42 games, its mind boggling that Sutter won't give some of the younger guys a legit extended run.

[Barnet Flame]

You don’t need to be a two time winning Stanley Cup coach to work out what went wrong last night and on too many occasions throughout most of the season.

It did look for a short period that Sutter helped Markstrom through an extended period of low confidence and poor play that stretched right back to the second round of the play-offs. It sure doesn’t look like it now though.

Going to Vladar now is the most obvious decision the coach can make now. I’m not saying don’t use Markstrom at all, but we really need to see a lot more of Vladar. We are in win right now mode and Markstrom isn’t cutting it and the future of goaltending on this team certainly does not lie with Markstrom who is breaking the back of what is admittedly a very mentally fragile team.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Yup good enough. It's an 82-game schedule and only getting one point on a road trip game isnt going to dictate the outcome of this season, regardless of the opponent

Flames played a decent game. In the past 10-15 games, theyre probably the better team at least 3 out of every 4 games. Trajectory for this team continues to be upwards.

I don't know how some posters get so emotional over one point within that context. I get being disappointed, but I don't get the rage and "blow it up" comments after every loss.

I like this team. I like how it's constructed. I like the maturity of the players. I like the on-going improvement in the team game. I like Sutter's system. Come playoff time, I'm pretty sure I'll be willing to take this team over any other within the conference over a seven game series.

On to the next one.

You must be a Debrusk.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

Vladar starts the next one and it's his net from here on

Enter bender your serious gif.

Your dreaming with a Sutter in Calgary. Dosen't matter the Sutter. Calgary needs to get over their Sutter love . We tried so many none really worked . Ya ya ya 2004 ... that is literally 19 years ago on a once in a lifetime Cinderella run. Calgary fans still hold on to that tho. . Treliving did the best he could with a terrible offseason but because it is solid on paper Dosen't mean it works on the ice. Thank #### this is Treliving last contract.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by zamler

NSFW!

Markstrom had 1 questionable goal the OT winner was impossible to stop. Team loss IMO.

That there is the problem IMO. Calgary dosen't need to score that extra goal every game it's that 1 questionable goal more often than non is the problem.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Flames played fine. Got two points in two games on the road. Good enuf

Lol are you high?or just old?

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Yeah Sutter let in those two softies after a dominant first two periods! What a sieve/

His dump and chase style did.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I’m really not sure Calgary will make the playoffs. If they do I think they could be okay as I presume some of these guys will be more interested on a consistent basis but the inconsistency, something Sutter claims the “young guys are” (when it’s in fact the vets) might not get them into the playoffs.

Seriously, if they want to make the playoffs they legitimately need a win streak. This lose one win one lose one in OT BS will not cut it. And get some ####ing competition going in the line up. Easy decisions here. Phillips should be line 1 next game not even joking.

lol.. maybe he means young in relation to him

vets have definitely shouldered the key mistakes in most of their recent losses

the team is 3/4 seasoned players, probably more

I'm failing to understand guys like Kadri who are determined in the o-zone, but can't seem to anticipate or understand how to defend an odd man rush going the other way

this too given that he has a 200 foot player reputation around the league

would love to see more smarts from the guys whose games are supposedly built around having that awareness and acumen

defensively they look like a young team learning the ropes sometimes. maybe Sutter wants their game to just.. mature

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Markstrom wasn't good, and his play cost us a W.

But this game is on Sutter - Markstrom should never have been in the net in the first place. And the complete lack of preparation for OT is on the coaching as well.

Sutter is just being stubborn at this point, and he's sinking the season. As Mr.Coffee said above, there is no meritocracy this year, Sutter is just determined to prove that his way is the only way.

And it's too bad, because this team is close - it's right there, with a season-saving winning streak just waiting for them to take it. But making the necessary changes just isn't on the table.

He has Seguin and Benn. I believe I posted about this when they signed these guys but I'm old and dont know how to bring up old posts.