Former Flames player performance thread - 2022/23 season

[Cain]

Tkachuk was always a very smart player, I'm not too surprised he's been able to continue picking up points. Miss the guy being on this team, but we did well with the hand we were dealt.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Haha I remembered that and a resident cheerleader/police who called everyone Oilers fan if he thinks tkachuk can get more than 70

Anyway Tkachuk has exceeded all expectations

Still means jack all if he can't bring it to the playoffs.

[dino7c]

I took the under on 99.5 points...might lose that bet but I think it still might be close.

I also picked the Panthers to miss the playoffs. They play wide open hockey which is good for personal point totals but not team point totals obviously. This season couldn't be going much worse for the Panthers....out of the race at xmas and an unprotected first.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I took the under on 99.5 points...might lose that bet but I think it still might be close.

I also picked the Panthers to miss the playoffs. They play wide open hockey which is good for personal point totals but not team point totals obviously. This season couldn't be going much worse for the Panthers....out of the race at xmas and an unprotected first.

You "took the Panthers to miss the playoffs" because they "don't play a style that is good for team point totals?"

Did you happen to just make this prediction last week, or are you asking us to believe you did it in the off season after they literally won the President's Trophy for having the most team points?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

You "took the Panthers to miss the playoffs" because they "don't play a style that is good for team point totals?"

Did you happen to just make this prediction last week, or are you asking us to believe you did it in the off season after they literally won the President's Trophy for having the most team points?

Once we saw the Panthers roster a few of us did say they could be a good bet to miss the playoffs, and he was one of them.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That was me for sure.

Thought we'd see 75 points from him going forward.

I don't think Tkachuk got enough credit for how skilled he was. I didn't think he was that far off from Gaudreau talent wise, obviously very different in terms of the style they play, but not far off in terms of the level if that makes sense.

I also think Gaudreau misses Tkachuk more than the other way around. Tkachuk hid Gaudreau's greatest weakness which was along the half boards in his own end and I think it's getting exposed again in Columbus. Tkachuk has the elite ability to absorb contact and make a strong outlet play to his linemate on the breakout and that just absolutely fueled Johnny's transition game which was obviously his greatest strength.

Without Tkachuk though, Johnny's probably getting pinned in his own end constantly and not getting nearly the same number of looks in transition. Not to mention, his team is just atrocious with one of the worst depth charts in the league. Just a bad situation that he signed up for, hope his home life is good though.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Once we saw the Panthers roster a few of us did say they could be a good bet to miss the playoffs, and he was one of them.

Always interesting to go back and see what people were saying. https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...93#post8435493

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Always interesting to go back and see what people were saying. https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...93#post8435493

That's the one I'm talking about thanks for the find.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

You "took the Panthers to miss the playoffs" because they "don't play a style that is good for team point totals?"

Did you happen to just make this prediction last week, or are you asking us to believe you did it in the off season after they literally won the President's Trophy for having the most team points?

They won the presidents trophy with an entirely different team. I have been saying their team sucks since September not last week..even when they started okay I was saying what a joke their earlier schedule was.

I took the under on 98 points at the sportsbook...looks good but not decided yet I suppose.

I also said Tkachuk would need better linemates and I'm pretty sure he has got them. Doesn't he play with Barkov now?

I didn't think Tkachuk would get 100 points...he hasn't yet but he is on pace. I have the under on 99.5 on that too, maybe he will get suspended again and I will get lucky.

I have the exact same under 99.5 bet on Gaudreau that is looking much better.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They won the presidents trophy with an entirely different team. I have been saying their team sucks since September not last week..even when they started okay I was saying what a joke their earlier schedule was.

I took the under on 98 points at the sportsbook...looks good but not decided yet I suppose.

I also said Tkachuk would need better linemates and I'm pretty sure he has got them. Doesn't he play with Barkov now?

I didn't think Tkachuk would get 100 points...he hasn't yet but he is on pace. I have the under on 99.5 on that too, maybe he will get suspended again and I will get lucky.

I have the exact same under 99.5 bet on Gaudreau that is looking much better.

Tkachuk has 11 of his 31 EV points with Barkov (35%). He has played 29.6% of his even strength time with Barkov. Tkachuk can pretty much score with anybody.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Tkachuk has 11 of his 31 EV points with Barkov (35%). He has played 29.6% of his even strength time with Barkov. Tkachuk can pretty much score with anybody.

bit out of context, I was talking about my pre-season post that was in the thread that someone linked

I am quoted as saying "Tkachuk needs better line mates to be generational"

Bennett and White weren't gonna cut it...its was bit of a dig at his GM because as good as he has been he is not generational. He has certainly spent time with better players than Bennett and White though. I wasn't taking away from Tkachuk just that that lineup sucks balls...and I said it in September.

I thought Tkachuk would get 70-80 points...if he gets 100 then I lose $100

Pretty much guaranteed to win $100 on the team bet so it might be a wash as far as Panthers bets go, time will tell

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I think most hockey fans knew we were giving up a power forward who would go on to continue to put up 100 points a season. Just need our guys to get going a bit more, but I think it is coming.

I still think the "power forward" rhetoric is funny. AFAIK the term was never used round these parts until this off-seasons when it was used in an article or two as the events unfolded.

Tbf, it seems the prototypical power forward is a dying breed, so maybe it's a reasonable term for MT these days...but he is not in the ilk of a Shanahan/Iginla/Neely/Tocchet/LeClair/Lucic/Wayne Simmonds/Tom Wilson/...Keith Tkachuk/etc

I wonder how much being his father's son skewed his perception for outsiders.

[FanIn80]

Again, the literal definition of a power forward is simply a player that primarily brings the puck to the net by way of physically overpowering the defence. That's all it is. Peter Forsberg was a power forward, and I think he only had one fight in his entire NHL career. (Although in fairness, a better classification of Forsberg would be a "two-way, defensive, playmaking, power sniper".)

The point though, is that a power forward doesn't have to be a fighter. I'm not sure why some people have a problem calling him a power forward. He's not a playmaker, and he's certainly not a perimeter player. He literally plays down low in the crease, and not only powers his way in there, he also overpowers defenders to stay there and score from there.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I still think the "power forward" rhetoric is funny. AFAIK the term was never used round these parts until this off-seasons when it was used in an article or two as the events unfolded.

Tbf, it seems the prototypical power forward is a dying breed, so maybe it's a reasonable term for MT these days...but he is not in the ilk of a Shanahan/Iginla/Neely/Tocchet/LeClair/Lucic/Wayne Simmonds/Tom Wilson/...Keith Tkachuk/etc

I wonder how much being his father's son skewed his perception for outsiders.

I would say you’re viewing the power forwards of yesteryear through the lens of nostalgia and yearning for the good old days.

Tkachuk is better than all but Shanahan and Iginla on that list of players you mentioned.

Tkachuk hits, fights, has oodles of skill, and I’m not sure I could pick a better net-front player in the league. The knuckle dragging power forward died with the 2004/2005 lock out. The game changed. Iginla and Bertuzzi are probably the two best examples of that. They significantly altered their physique after the lockout to get leaner and faster.

Lucic was a rare breed, and I’d say he and Wilson may be the only two players to effectively play that style of game to any real success in the modern NHL.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I still think the "power forward" rhetoric is funny. AFAIK the term was never used round these parts until this off-seasons when it was used in an article or two as the events unfolded.

Tbf, it seems the prototypical power forward is a dying breed, so maybe it's a reasonable term for MT these days...but he is not in the ilk of a Shanahan/Iginla/Neely/Tocchet/LeClair/Lucic/Wayne Simmonds/Tom Wilson/...Keith Tkachuk/etc

I wonder how much being his father's son skewed his perception for outsiders.

Don't forget Gary Roberts

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I would say you’re viewing the power forwards of yesteryear through the lens of nostalgia and yearning for the good old days.

Tkachuk is better than all but Shanahan and Iginla on that list of players you mentioned.

Tkachuk hits, fights, has oodles of skill, and I’m not sure I could pick a better net-front player in the league. The knuckle dragging power forward died with the 2004/2005 lock out. The game changed. Iginla and Bertuzzi are probably the two best examples of that. They significantly altered their physique after the lockout to get leaner and faster.

Lucic was a rare breed, and I’d say he and Wilson may be the only two players to effectively play that style of game to any real success in the modern NHL.

I agree with most of what you said... But I don't know that Tkachuk is better than Neely. I think that would be an interesting conversation, and I'm not sure which side I'd land on, but Cam Neely was one of the best goal scorers of all time.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I agree with most of what you said... But I don't know that Tkachuk is better than Neely. I think that would be an interesting conversation, and I'm not sure which side I'd land on, but Cam Neely was one of the best goal scorers of all time.

Neely will always be an interesting one to talk about. Him only playing the number of games that he was able to play hurts him in these sorts of conversations. He also played (for a good portion of his career) in a high scoring era (and then also some in the dead puck era).

I think Tkachuk may end up being the better overall player/have the better career - but I really only saw the last few years of Neely’s career whenever the Bruins happened to be on Hockey Night in Canada, so my exposure to Neely was pretty limited.

[Strange Brew]

Cam Neely was a better hockey player than Matthew Tkachuk.

[FanIn80]

Yeah the only thing more scary than his fists was his ability to light the lamp.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Once we saw the Panthers roster a few of us did say they could be a good bet to miss the playoffs, and he was one of them.

I'd argue it has mostly been Maurice and goaltending, not the roster. Maurice has killed the teams offensive ability and confidence and while the defense hasn't been good it's not notably worse compared to last year. Goaltending has been garbage. But mostly it's Maurice, pretty much everyone on that team is underperforming under him (except Tkachuk who has more than replaced Huberdeau).