2023 WJHC from Halifax/Moncton

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I think by the end of their careers it will be easy to argue Kane and Matthews were generational talents . Both could easily go down as top 50 players all time (if not higher)

I see a Kane type player going forward , and maybe Kane+

That's exactly what I see- a budding superstar, but not in the same stratosphere as Crosby or McDavid. I wouldn't dare say that out in public in Canada though.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I think by the end of their careers it will be easy to argue Kane and Matthews were generational talents . Both could easily go down as top 50 players all time (if not higher)

I see a Kane type player going forward , and maybe Kane+

I think we have a different understanding of generational talent, what would you or what is defined as generational?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Sandman

That's exactly what I see- a budding superstar, but not in the same stratosphere as Crosby or McDavid. I wouldn't dare say that out in public in Canada though.

It's fine to have that opinion but when he is breaking those players records don't be surprised that people disagree

I have never seen a 17 year old dominate like this

[Mr.Coffee]

Bedard will get drafted by the Coyotes, and then Matthews will go sign there and they will win a cup in that fancy pants new stadium they’re building.

[jayswin]

I'm with others, the kid will be a superstar in the NHL, but at his size I'll have to see how he handles the NHL to see if he can realize generational status. At the VERY worst the team that drafts him is getting one of the better players in the last decade.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

This study should include the data you’re looking for.

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/edmont...20267.amp.html

Wow, it's actually waaaay higher than I guessed. Thanks!

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Robbob

So did I hear correctly that he has most points as a 17 year old, passing Jagr?

Jagr had 18 points in 7 games. Bedard now has 21 in 5, and he's guaranteed 2 more games.


21 points puts him into a tie with Robert Reichel for 4th on the all-time single tournament list. Peter Forsberg holds the record with 31 in 7 games. That's probably not catchable, but second place is 24 points, which could be passed.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I think it's more of what translates to the NHL game. McDavid's skating and stickhandling combination is deadly. Can a pretty small guy like Bedard be that dominant with above average skating? It's hard to see when guys much bigger lean on him. Even if he ends up being a better Patrick Kane or Austin Matthews that's great. But generational talent, totally not sure because that implies McDavid/Crosby. The scoring record for Team Canada, while it tells one story, there's another angle and that's the competition it was against. Complete blowout games notching a bunch of those. His skill is impressive - just want to see how it translates to the NHL as we've heard the hyping of prospects time after time at this tournament.

I definitely didn’t say it would or wouldn’t translate. You said based off skill. So, I was pointing out how I see them at the same respective ages skill wise. The jury is still out on how it will all translate, obviously.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I'm with others, the kid will be a superstar in the NHL, but at his size I'll have to see how he handles the NHL to see if he can realize generational status. At the VERY worst the team that drafts him is getting one of the better players in the last decade.

He's listed as 5'10 and 185 pounds. He could easily (but not definitely) grow an inch and gain 10-15 pounds. He doesn't turn 18 until July. I'm guessing by age 20 he won't be considered small.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

I think we have a different understanding of generational talent, what would you or what is defined as generational?

We’ll the NHL has been around for 100 years . If you are one of the 50 best players you effectively are one of two of the best players for a decade. To me that is close to generational. Matthew’s for example could end with 650 goals . Kane with 1400 +points (he’s only 250 pts behind Crosby for his career and has 3 cups) leaving him as a top 20 point getting in NHL history mostly playing during the dead puck era - he’s currently 48th all time in points and has many seasons left in him

Is Jagr generational ? Forsberg ? Messier ? Ovechkin? Lidstrum

I can buy the argument that the answer is No , and we are reserving generational for a top 10 player of all time. But if you draft a player who will go down as first ballot unanimous HoFer that’s generational to me

[Paulie Walnuts]

He is lighting up the WHL which is typically a harder league do score in.

His shot is already elite at the NHL level.

I don't think size will matter he's a quick player with elite vision as well.

[jg13]

Not to mention he is a pretty physical kid. i've seen him layout guys bigger than him several times. He could really be the whole package and if he is I just hope he stays out of the Pacific so I can cheer for him.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1579879405228535809

[flylock shox]

185 lbs at 5'10" at 17 years old tends to suggest his NHL weight will be about 195 - so a fairly solid size for physical play. I think speed is the bigger question mark for him as opposed to size.

With his shot though, no reason he shouldn't score a ton in the NHL.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Are people suggesting he is slow? He looks like the fastest player on the ice.

[flylock shox]

I certainly don't mean to suggest that he's slow - I don't think it's the case. I just think the step to NHL speed is going to prove more challenging for him than the step to NHL size - particularly when he's added a bit of weight to his frame, which he inevitably will.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Are people suggesting he is slow? He looks like the fastest player on the ice.

He's an excellent skater, but he's nowhere near the level of a McD/ MacKinnon. He plays with phenomenal pace, and can change speed/direction on a dime. Elite stickhandler, with uncanny deception ability. He reminds me of Johnny Hockey in that regard-not elite in a straight line, but will make you look silly by going around or past you.

[dino7c]

actually now that I think of it he probably won't put up McDavid points because he will likely be on an actual team in his prime that will expect him to play D, not play 28 mins a night in october, and not play entire powerplays.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Sandman

He's an excellent skater, but he's nowhere near the level of a McD/ MacKinnon. He plays with phenomenal pace, and can change speed/direction on a dime. Elite stickhandler, with uncanny deception ability. He reminds me of Johnny Hockey in that regard-not elite in a straight line, but will make you look silly by going around or past you.

I was thinking a more skilled and faster Johnny. He dodges checks easily. He seems to have a motor that is non stop.

Bedard looked determined to end the game in OT.

He's going to be a superstar but probably not McDavid numbers.

McDavid cheats the game so he can rack up points.

[dino7c]

Gaudreau is actually a good comparison in style

a bigger, faster Gaudreau...dear lord

[Robbob]

That is the difference, Bedard thinks win first and reflects on the points after. At least right now he is saying the right thing.