American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Can’t wait for another “the cure for darkness is light! we must combat bad faith arguments in the classical liberal tradition of vigorous debate! it is not Yoho we seek to convince, but the many readers who may see his arguments go unchallenged and believe them to be correct!” blah blah blah.

Just a constant stream of people getting suckered in.

His rhetoric works, simple as it is. It's as easy to ignore those who reply to him...

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

His rhetoric works, simple as it is. It's as easy to ignore those who reply to him...

Except it isn’t, because I don’t want to fill my ignore list with people I actually enjoy, respect, and feel have something of value to offer even if that value is as small as just entertaining me.

And so what if it works? Do you think he’s having a big impact on the community here? Do you think you are by combatting him? It’s mostly regulars that post here, and there are countless opportunities to combat bad or poorly formed ideas with posters that are actually open to discussing them, so why is he so special to you?

You’re ensuring he continues offering it by giving him the attention he’s desperate for, so you’re just playing a zero sum game. If he was someone you could have a conversation with like you and I, that’d be fruitful, but he’s just seeking attention and trolling for reactions. You could even argue that the amount of attention people give him probably makes others take him more seriously and buy his trolling even more than if he just never got a reaction. But do whatever.

[Barnet Flame]

His own posts are the best arguments against his posts. If someone is convinced by them, they are already lost.

Just let them stand on their own lack of merit.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I don't reply to him thinking I'll change his mind because I don't think it's possible. I reply to make sure that his posts don't cause anyone to start believing the B.S. he spouts. There was a guy much like Yoho on Reddit, and my brother thought he made sense, so I made sure to show him how wrong he was.

It's this.

If we ignore the crazy and let him spew it, it goes unchecked.

Then others can read false equivalencies, or fictional rhetoric, and believe it. After all, it was on Fox News, or OAN, or Breitbart, so maybe it is true.

Then it becomes the narrative of truth.

Then people believe it.

Then you have more Yohos.

Do you want more Yohos? Because letting him rant unchecked is how you get more Yohos.

Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if he was a reasonably good guy, that fell in that trap and now here, here he's being challenged here Reddit, or 4Chan or wherever doesn't. His echo chamber doesn't push back, so CP must be wrong.

[photon]

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by photon

I... I... I didn't steal and re-write that line from Archer... it... it... it was an homage... yes... yes... that'll do!

[ResAlien]

This place is filled with old balls posters who’ve been around since the dawn of the internet. Have we fallen so far that we’ve forgotten “don’t feed the trolls”?

It’s a rule for a reason and I disagree with your entire premise that engaging bad faith actors has any positive benefit to anyone. Ignore and move on.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

This place is filled with old balls posters who’ve been around since the dawn of the internet. Have we fallen so far that we’ve forgotten “don’t feed the trolls”?

It’s a rule for a reason and I disagree with your entire premise that engaging bad faith actors has any positive benefit to anyone. Ignore and move on.

Antifa!

[dino7c]

IDK I think Yoho actually believes this garbage...lots of seemingly normal people have fallen for it

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dino7c

IDK I think Yoho actually believes this garbage...lots of seemingly normal people have fallen for it

Because no one in their bubble ever challenges this type of disinformation. People stormed the capitol on nothing more than a constant stream of disinformation. Despots and authoritarians around the globe gained power through disinformation and ignorance. Ignoring this type of noise is endorsement for many who are looking for conformation of their media stream.

[photon]

When MT is the moderate, words have lost all meaning.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1610050404657795072

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by photon

When MT is the moderate, words have lost all meaning.

She's not being moderate, she's worried that actual moderate republicans might work with democrats to nominate someone that isn't a total piece of #### to lead the house if the holdouts don't back off

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

It's this.

If we ignore the crazy and let him spew it, it goes unchecked.

Then others can read false equivalencies, or fictional rhetoric, and believe it. After all, it was on Fox News, or OAN, or Breitbart, so maybe it is true.

Then it becomes the narrative of truth.

Then people believe it.

Then you have more Yohos.

Do you want more Yohos? Because letting him rant unchecked is how you get more Yohos.

Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if he was a reasonably good guy, that fell in that trap and now here, here he's being challenged here Reddit, or 4Chan or wherever doesn't. His echo chamber doesn't push back, so CP must be wrong.

He's just trolling. There are hundreds of level headed posters here - no one is coming here, reading Yoho's posts and thinking - that's my guy and getting radicalized. And he's been here for long enough that its obvious that the next rebuttal is not going to change his mind.

Its a tale as old as the internet - don't feed the trolls.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Sure... Or just engage with the thread however you want without being an a-hole and personally attacking people and let others do the same. If someone wants to bang their head against the wall, let them.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Sure... Or just engage with the thread however you want without being an a-hole and personally attacking people and let others do the same. If someone wants to bang their head against the wall, let them.

Oh the irony…

[The Fonz]

Oh the double irony...

[jayswin]

Oh the triple irony of Yoho thanking Corsi's post.

[activeStick]

Things are getting heated in Congress today

https://twitter.com/user/status/1610297638594936832

[Coach]

Not sure how McCarthy can take anyone anywhere with zero legs to stand on.

[photon]

Well so far McCarthy has lost this first round I think with 8 so far voting against him being speaker, so at least 1 more vote coming up. Unless McCarthy steps aside or Dems align behind a moderate R probably a lot more votes coming up.