[PGT] Flames lose 5-2 to the St Louis Boooos!

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Yeah absolute nonsense that this market wouldn't accept a rebuild. The only people that don't have the patience are ownership.

90% of the fanbase was calling for it when Johnny decided to test free agency

[FireGilbert]

Can’t believe I went to a Wranglers game and a Flames game while in town and got to see zero minutes of Matt Phillips. Did get almost 14 minutes of Lucic though.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I sure seems like the team is trying to get a new coach.

Nice. Another coach. Who will Treliving choose for his 6th coach. I feel like the axe goes to Brad before he has the chance to find another coach. Personally I don't think Sutter is the issue. The issue is our best players are not scoring.

[butterfly]

The problem with Treliving isn't Gaudreau leaving or the Tkachuk trade. He could have handled those the exact same ways, flipped Huberdeau, flipped Weegar, kept Monahan, and had *at least* three more 1st rounders by doing that.

In the offseason, for sure, and maybe even at the deadline. Who knows how they might have played in contract years.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Lindy is off by only like 5 points from where he would be with Johnny and Chucky too (PPG)

it's just strange to me that huberdeau, kadri and weegar are all giving such mediocre performances .. but that really is spanning the entire group so I think it comes down to a group/locker room issue of some kind

which is why most probably circle back to the coach

Thing is man, Kadri, points wise is pretty much on par with his career. I never did expect him to be the PPG player that he was in Colorado, as that was an isolated year. I just wanted solid two way 50-60 pt play from him.

[Vedder]

Treliving did everything he could to maintain a winning roster. So far that looks like a failure, and that's 100% Brad's sword to fall on. It's unfortunate since I've generally agreed with his moves, but it's becoming clear the team as constructed isn't a winner.

At the same time I firmly disagree with the people blaming Darryl. His top players aren't performing in any situation - 5 on 5, powerplay etc. You need your top guys to make plays to win games and right now 10 is playing like a replacement level player. No idea what you do about that.

[NewFan]

I'm sure that Sutter changed his system, specially when they depending. Last year's team depended much better and they were very fast for transition with 13 and 19.
But this year they can't clear the puck and when they finally clear the puck and our D tries to make changes but Fs can hold the puck or loose it to other team creating odd man chance against. And this team visibly slower than last year.

[NewFan]

If we can't score why Sutter needs to distribute all offensive guys. Just put all scorers in the first 2 lines and create average 3rd and good 4th line.
Huber-Kadri-Lindy
Mangi-Backs-Toffi
Dube-Ruzicka-Coleman
Looch-Lewis-Somebody from Wranglers

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Yeah absolute nonsense that this market wouldn't accept a rebuild. The only people that don't have the patience are ownership.

People act like this is the simplest decision in the world. You lose a bunch of money with a bottom feeder following the Iginla era. You build up a roster that is finally competitive, and your young stars leave. Are you immediately reverting to the rebuild without trying to salvage a competitive roster?

Easiest take to make in the world with very little skin in the game.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Nice. Another coach. Who will Treliving choose for his 6th coach. I feel like the axe goes to Brad before he has the chance to find another coach. Personally I don't think Sutter is the issue. The issue is our best players are not scoring.

Are you kidding ? Brandon Sutter is the next coach. Why not ? Almost 20 years of pure sutters I'm sure one will stick? From young guns to now one has too right? They only voucher they throw money at is a Sutter. The others are bargain coaches no ones heard of. If they get another one it will be a bargain coach as they would still have to pay Sutter. Bob harrtley was there best non Sutter choice and they fired him for.....Glue gun and bill Peter's....

[ComixZone]

Tree isn’t going to get a new coach.

Sutter has an extension in place. Treliving does not.

This season likely results in the exit of one, if not both of them…I have a hard time believing Treliving is here come the end of January if this continues.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Nice. Another coach. Who will Treliving choose for his 6th coach. I feel like the axe goes to Brad before he has the chance to find another coach. Personally I don't think Sutter is the issue. The issue is our best players are not scoring.

That is an issue. Not *the* issue

When you outshoot a team 43-24 and are pretty much not looking like you are going to win, there are more systemic issues. So few dangerous shots. Greiss was nothing special

Backlund has too much skill and intelligence to skate to the red line and automatically dump it in when unchallenged. He’s clearly obeying orders.

I can’t recall seeing a Sutter team that was such dog #### defensively

This is garbage to watch. Not enjoying it

[jg13]

I really do have to believe Sutter is the biggest factor the team isn't performing at this point which is hard for me to say considering I went out and bought beer late at night out of no where when the news he was hired broke.

He is effective when his team buys in but there is a line as to how long that takes. We are well passed that line and he has no answer. The positive for him is he just signed an extended contract.

He needs to go if this season wants any chance of seeing past 82 games.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Lucic is not the problem.

Of course not, but he’s not the solution either. That’s what’s angering people. I don’t think any honest Flames fan that’s watched this team would point to Lucic as being even close to the biggest issue with the team.

It’s Sutter’s usage of him that’s the issue. He should be playing every 2nd game or against the bigger teams. He should be playing 8-10 minutes/game, maybe 12 if he’s on.

Instead Sutter has him on the ice what seems like every 2nd shift, and he’s moving him up and down the lineup.

Lucic can still be effective but he isn’t effective anywhere but the 4th line and he needs his icetime severely limited. That’s obvious to everyone but Daryl.

[TheScorpion]

why hasn't Darryl played Huberdeau and Ruzicka together at all? you've got a young forward who has been blowing the doors off and he's played a grand total of 37 seconds all year with the struggling big-ticket winger. thirty-seven seconds!

seems like a natural thing to try instead of double-shifting Lucic

[Vedder]

I'm very skeptical that a Sutter replacement will turn the Flames supposed stars into star producers immediately. They are the fundamental problem.

I could definitely be wrong, but the last coach was the Dollar Store special Geoff Ward, who had zero qualifications to be the head coach of an NHL team. Are we thinking the Flames will hire a replacement with pedigree? I do not.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Not to mention, thank god we did make the trade because without Weegs our defence would be ahl calibre right now.

Yeah

He got one tonight.

[kermitology]

Stayed true to my word and didn’t watch any of the game. Seems that was a good idea. I had a nice evening with my family and getting some work done.

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

why hasn't Darryl played Huberdeau and Ruzicka together at all? you've got a young forward who has been blowing the doors off and he's played a grand total of 37 seconds all year with the struggling big-ticket winger. thirty-seven seconds!

seems like a natural thing to try instead of double-shifting Lucic

Hubredeau has spent so much time with players a lot better than Ruzicka with very little success. At some point the players are the issue.

Blowing the doors off is also a bit rich. He's had good production (with some percentages breaking his way), but he isn't a consistent threat at 5 on 5, and he disappears without notice in some games.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Vedder

Hubredeau has spent so much time with players a lot better than Ruzicka with very little success. At some point the players are the issue.

Blowing the doors off is also a bit rich. He's had good production (with some percentages breaking his way), but he isn't a consistent threat at 5 on 5, and he disappears without notice in some games.

I agree that the percentages are breaking his way but even so, his baseline has been pretty terrific. By and large, the Flames are stomping their opponents in terms of both shots and chances with Ruzicka on the ice — while it's not uncommon for the Flames to outshoot teams this year, it's less so for them to actually control chances to the extent they have during Ruzicka's shifts.

Also leads the team in 5v5 points/60 by a considerable margin. I think ultimately it's just about finding a combo that works — might not be with the best players on paper, but instead the hottest ones.