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[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Wait until they learn about what those seemingly benign Dutch did.

Lied about inventing pancakes?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Slava

This discussion is sounding similar to the air conditioning debate now. “You only need it for two weeks a year”, and then people with AC/parkas say “I use it much more frequently!”

Lol, I have AC and I own a CG winter jacket. Even if it's two weeks a year (which it's not), it's still a sweet sweet 2 weeks where I'm comfortable because I have AC or I have a jacket to keep me nice and toasty.

And for people who think CG wearers judge non CG wearers, I honestly feel like it's the opposite. There's way more judgement (even in this thread) of people who wear CG jackets from non CG owners.

Either way, I don't care. But I find it funny how some non CG wearers work up this made up narrative in their minds of the GC wearer judging them for not having a warm jacket, when in fact, I honestly don't care what you wear or don't wear.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I don't judge people for wearing it, I judge people for saying things like it's top of the line or a bargain at twice the price like Sliver was. That's just... not the case. You can spend whatever you want on a coat that you like but you don't get to invent your own facts, and there are, objectively speaking, better coats in literally every category. There are warmer coats, there are lighter coats that are equally warm, there are cheaper coats that are equally warm or warmer, there are coats that have better features if you want to wear them while you're on a mountain (OK sidebar - I definitely do judge you if you're skiing or snowboarding in a CG jacket because they're just not for that), better storage, literally everything.

Subjectively, if you like the way your CG jacket feels and it does the job for you, that's great - enjoy your coat. But the judgment doesn't really come from the jacket itself, it comes from the attitude some people seem to have about it that goes something like, "I know they're more expensive but I'm willing to spend more money to get the absolute BEST winter jacket I can buy". That's... not what you're doing.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I don't judge people for wearing it, I judge people for saying things like it's top of the line or a bargain at twice the price like Sliver was. That's just... not the case. You can spend whatever you want on a coat that you like but you don't get to invent your own facts, and there are, objectively speaking, better coats in literally every category. There are warmer coats, there are lighter coats that are equally warm, there are cheaper coats that are equally warm or warmer, there are coats that have better features if you want to wear them while you're on a mountain (OK sidebar - I definitely do judge you if you're skiing or snowboarding in a CG jacket because they're just not for that), better storage, literally everything.

Subjectively, if you like the way your CG jacket feels and it does the job for you, that's great - enjoy your coat. But the judgment doesn't really come from the jacket itself, it comes from the attitude some people seem to have about it that goes something like, "I know they're more expensive but I'm willing to spend more money to get the absolute BEST winter jacket I can buy". That's... not what you're doing.

You seem jealous. Just go buy yourself a CG. You can afford it.

[activeStick]

When I was young, I think the brand was Sun Ice? Was that it?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You seem jealous. Just go buy yourself a CG. You can afford it.

Sure I could. I've tried them on before and I've tried on the competitors like the moose knuckles (I agree, terrible name) and if I bought one it just wouldn't get worn here. Between all my Patagonia, Outdoor Research, North Face, Helly Hansen, Mountain Hardwear, Arcteryx, Armada, Oakley and other stuff, I have like 10-15 good outdoor jackets including 5 sets of ski outerwear for various temperatures and conditions / precipitation. I've tried it all - I am the type of person who likes skiing in -25 because no one else is on the hill. There is simply no circumstance I can think of where if I had a CG Langford that I'd want to wear it in preference to a North Face Diameter, for example, and there are other jackets that are comparable to that. For the people who get a CG Expedition for extreme cold weather, that's almost unwearable in Chinooks, but even in -30 in blowing snow you'd be better off with a MH Absolute Zero parka in the sense that it's warmer without being as heavy and has better storage.

90% of the time the most comfortable thing you can wear in Calgary is a medium fill insulated hoody like the Cerium or one of its many competitors.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I don't judge people for wearing it, I judge people for saying things like it's top of the line or a bargain at twice the price like Sliver was. That's just... not the case. You can spend whatever you want on a coat that you like but you don't get to invent your own facts, and there are, objectively speaking, better coats in literally every category. There are warmer coats, there are lighter coats that are equally warm, there are cheaper coats that are equally warm or warmer, there are coats that have better features if you want to wear them while you're on a mountain (OK sidebar - I definitely do judge you if you're skiing or snowboarding in a CG jacket because they're just not for that), better storage, literally everything.

Subjectively, if you like the way your CG jacket feels and it does the job for you, that's great - enjoy your coat. But the judgment doesn't really come from the jacket itself, it comes from the attitude some people seem to have about it that goes something like, "I know they're more expensive but I'm willing to spend more money to get the absolute BEST winter jacket I can buy". That's... not what you're doing.

Wait, you don't think it's top of the line? Of course it's top of the line. It's a high-end, top-quality parka made with excellent materials assembled by talented seamstresses/tailors.

Agreed on judging people who wear them skiing, though. I can't think of a worse coat for that purpose.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

Lied about inventing pancakes?

I think that was the Belgians.

They should have some articles written about them also, just in case anyone is unaware because… reasons. I just hope the Germans didn’t do anything crazy in the past. I’d really hate to just learn about now.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Wait, you don't think it's top of the line? Of course it's top of the line. It's a high-end, top-quality parka made with excellent materials assembled by talented seamstresses/tailors.

I can't really speak to the quality of the materials as I'm not really sure about that... but regardless, what I meant was that I don't think it's the best at any specific thing, or for any specific purpose, particularly not if you live in Calgary. No matter what the weather is like outside or what you intend to do in it there is an objectively better option that probably costs less money than any jacket that CG sells... again, unless you just happen to prefer how your CG jacket looks to those alternatives. For me, there are many many options that I prefer the look of for most of the weather we get, and once you get into the territory where it's so cold, windy and miserable that you need your weather armor, I cease to care much at all about looks and am all about the functionality.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I can't really speak to the quality of the materials as I'm not really sure about that... but regardless, what I meant was that I don't think it's the best at any specific thing, or for any specific purpose, particularly not if you live in Calgary. No matter what the weather is like outside or what you intend to do in it there is an objectively better option that probably costs less money than any jacket that CG sells... again, unless you just happen to prefer how your CG jacket looks to those alternatives. For me, there are many many options that I prefer the look of for most of the weather we get, and once you get into the territory where it's so cold, windy and miserable that you need your weather armor, I cease to care much at all about looks and am all about the functionality.

Now you’re just getting into subjective stuff though. Objectively they are well made and purpose-fulfilling jackets. It’s fine if you don’t need them or don’t like the look of them.

[topfiverecords]

I’d never be caught in a jacket named after a wimpy bird that flies south for the winter.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Now you’re just getting into subjective stuff though. Objectively they are well made and purpose-fulfilling jackets. It’s fine if you don’t need them or don’t like the look of them.

I like the look of some of them, or at least I'm generally neutral about them in that regard... I'm not saying they don't fulfill a purpose, or meet the needs of the people who buy them - obviously there are plenty of people who own the things and are very happy with them. What I'm disagreeing with is this notion that they're the best jacket you could get in order to be comfortable in Calgary winters and, that the only question is whether or not the price tag is worth it. If you had every jacket on the market to choose from laid out on a table in front of you for free and you looked outside and said, "which is the best option for me today", there will never be any day on which a Canada Goose would make the most sense.

And you can't even bring the "well what if I just want one jacket to wear in all weather situations" argument into it, because in that case first of all I still don't think the CG is the best option unless it just happens to fit you absolutely perfectly... but more importantly, because they're so expensive, you actually could buy multiple very good jackets to cover considerably more weather conditions and pay the same amount of money, or less, at the end of the day. So the only way that argument would work is if you were in some weird situation where you only have the closet space for a single coat, but have unlimited money to buy it.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by activeStick

When I was young, I think the brand was Sun Ice? Was that it?

whatever moneybags, I was wearing Jardi

[surferguy]

As a shorter man, I find the GC long parka is the best for me and a (other short) friend. I find when I stand on his shoulders we can both get into things like a movie theater for the price of one. I just can’t do that in a HH puffy.

EDIT: the jacket basically pays for itself after 3 years

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I’d never be caught in a jacket named after a wimpy bird that flies south for the winter.

They have no choice after people steal their incredibly insulating down to make jackets.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I like the look of some of them, or at least I'm generally neutral about them in that regard... I'm not saying they don't fulfill a purpose, or meet the needs of the people who buy them - obviously there are plenty of people who own the things and are very happy with them. What I'm disagreeing with is this notion that they're the best jacket you could get in order to be comfortable in Calgary winters and, that the only question is whether or not the price tag is worth it. If you had every jacket on the market to choose from laid out on a table in front of you for free and you looked outside and said, "which is the best option for me today", there will never be any day on which a Canada Goose would make the most sense.

And you can't even bring the "well what if I just want one jacket to wear in all weather situations" argument into it, because in that case first of all I still don't think the CG is the best option unless it just happens to fit you absolutely perfectly... but more importantly, because they're so expensive, you actually could buy multiple very good jackets to cover considerably more weather conditions and pay the same amount of money, or less, at the end of the day. So the only way that argument would work is if you were in some weird situation where you only have the closet space for a single coat, but have unlimited money to buy it.

To you. And me (I don’t own one).

But don’t you own a Porsche?

[Misterpants]

What GMG is that look on super old people's faces when they drive. It's a mix of horror, abject terror and anger making them glower at anyone trying to anticipate whatever the hell they are trying to do. It feels like they are angry that anyone would have the audacity to drive within 100m of them. These are the people we should be test piloting the full auto drive Tesla's with, it can't be any worse than the old bed-shatters trying to turn left into on-coming traffic.

[RichieRich]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

YKWRGMG I have consistently been shoveling both of my neighbours sidewalks when I am out shoveling my own driveway.

I do it because it's a nice thing to do but I also hope that maybe if I'm not there to shovel one evening that they would repay the favour.

I got home late from work last night and both of their sidewalks/driveways were shoveled but both stopped at the property line.

So instead I had to shovel compacted snow at 10pm instead of them taking 2 extra minutes to do a favour for me.

Maybe you’re one adjacent to one of my neighbors too. Although I should be doing it because I want to, even if they reciprocated ONCE yearly I’d be ok.

[RichieRich]

Originally Posted by Sr. Mints

I had am EMG that produced news I didn't want to hear: I'm getting sent to a neurosurgeon ASAP to see what surgical options are available. I've had four back operations in 20 years, super bummed there be another

Sounds significant if it’s involves neuro and surgery. What is an EMG? Hopefully the end result will be as minor as possible.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

To you. And me (I don’t own one).

But don’t you own a Porsche?

Again, though, I'm talking objectively - its weather-resistant characteristics, insulation, weight, warmth, storage, and other features. If for subjective reasons you just feel like you enjoy wearing the jacket more, or if you just don't care about certain features, knock yourself out. Some people just like the feel of a heavy jacket, like they're wearing a blanket - I can't argue, whatever floats your boat.

On the Porsche front, yeah, 987.2S... it's an objectively excellent choice for a 2 seater manual sports car, price to performance, particularly because of where the engine is. There are very few alternatives that aren't front-engine. I'm not sure what other automaker you could look at to perform the same way for around $50-60k used.