Firefly, have a child, then see if your mind changes. I can't believe anyone would do that to a child of their own.
See if my mind changes about what? I can't believe it either. Which is exactly the reason I'm saying that there's something more to the story. What would cause it? Does it make what she's done any less? No. Do you really think she did it just to get rid of the child? Please. A sane person would not do that. That's all I'm saying. Killing or torturing her doesn't solve anything.
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This is a really sad story. The sadder truth is that if it was 8 weeks earlier it would have been a "pregnancy termination", and we wouldn't have heard about it.
Sickening. Still, gotta disagree with you Captain. The fact that she did it so many times to me shows she totally lost it. I know every one pleads insanity but this is case where I'm sure there's some credance. I mean a mother doesn't do that unless they're pretty unhinged and then to show that sort of rage to a purely innocent, gotta be more to it.
Anyway, still needs to be locked up permanently just saying, that ain't normal!
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sad story. who knows what the hell would have to happen in your brain to kill, no murder, you're own child in such a barbaric way. Postpartum depression? Schizo? Who knows.. hopefully the kid went quickly.
Johnson noted that the state's safe harbor law allows mothers to leave infants at any hospital within 72 hours of birth with no legal consequences.
"She could have walked away and the baby would have been adopted by a family that wanted it. Instead she destroys two lives: her own and the baby's," he said.
This fact makes it even worse.
But 135 times? What the hell.
If she was stabbing really frantically, say 2 stabs/second, then that's over a whole freaking minute of continuous stabbing.
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My Hero is my Mommy she brought me into this world and if I didnt respect that she would take me right out of this world!
I can't even comprehend what must be going througha person's mind when they stab someone 135 times... and that's just it. Who could? Did she black out? Was she giggling? Was it done out of fear or hatred for what the baby signified? Did she even look at it as a living thing? I can't even fathom. Yet here we are calling her a slut and a whore and telling her to keep her legs shut. For all we know her plan was to take the baby to the hospital and drop it off, but then it moved and maybe started crying and she did the only thing she could do to make it stop for fear of being found out... Who knows? I don't.
OHHHHHHHHHHH, because that would make it understandable, right?
OHHHHHHHHHHH, because that would make it understandable, right?
Apparently some people need reading comprehension classes. I already said I can't comprehend why she would do such a thing. If I can't comprehend something, I don't understand it.
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Thats ok Firefly, I understand what you're getting at and I think you're right. Sometimes stories of this amazing brutality bring out the brute in those who hear it. For some reason its 'cool' to condemn this girl to horrible torturous death by a lot of posters on this board, maybe it makes them feel better (a bit macabre though). We'll probably never figure out what mental state this girl was in... obviously a terrible situation for everyone involved.
Why is everyone calling her a whore? She could've been a virgin right before getting impregnated. Not that it matters, I just thought I'd be argumentative like everyone else in this thread.
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Why is everyone calling her a whore? She could've been a virgin right before getting impregnated. Not that it matters, I just thought I'd be argumentative like everyone else in this thread.
I don’t see where the whole whore thing comes from
Weather she has had sex once or one thousand times the real issue is she stabbed a baby 135 times and that she had an option to drop the kid off at a hospital with no consequences but chose to brutally take her Childs life
Thats ok Firefly, I understand what you're getting at and I think you're right. Sometimes stories of this amazing brutality bring out the brute in those who hear it. For some reason its 'cool' to condemn this girl to horrible torturous death by a lot of posters on this board, maybe it makes them feel better (a bit macabre though). We'll probably never figure out what mental state this girl was in... obviously a terrible situation for everyone involved.
Considering what Anthony just posted up above, it makes this situation even worse.
I think the whole issue here is that everyone agrees that the act was barbaric and unforgiveable, but a lot seem to think that playing on what her mental state might have been, problems she might have had...lends her to be more of a victim than she should be.
There are some people that think that there are some crimes that totally outweigh and outvalue anything else. There is no excuse for the crime, no lessening of the crime. It does not matter what state of mind the person was in, or what they intended to do...it matters what was done.
And it does seem strange that only some crimes seem to warrant this "what was wrong with the person to make them do this thing".
And frankly, saying that it is a horrible thing for all involved, well in a crime this barbaric, I don't really care about the girl who did it. She might have a lot of problems, but the fact is that she committed an atrocity. I'm all about helping her out with her problems, but in no way does her state of mind lessen what she did. And honestly, it is something she will have to live with for the rest of her life.
Apparently some people need reading comprehension classes. I already said I can't comprehend why she would do such a thing. If I can't comprehend something, I don't understand it.
Speak for yourself.
When you say "For all we know..." it's an attempt to provide a viable explanation for whatever follows.
I didn't say you didn't understand it.
But after saying such a thing, you tried to provide a understandable explanation for her actions, in a way that doesn't make it understandable. That's my point.
When you say "For all we know..." it's an attempt to provide a viable explanation for whatever follows.
I didn't say you didn't understand it.
But after saying such a thing, you tried to provide a understandable explanation for her actions, in a way that doesn't make it understandable. That's my point.
I tried to provide an explaination other than calling her a whore who was just trying to get rid of her baby. I didn't say I was trying to make it understandable, I was saying we should refrain from name calling when we clearly don't have all the facts in this case. You CAN explain things without understanding them.
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I tried to provide an explaination other than calling her a whore who was just trying to get rid of her baby. I didn't say I was trying to make it understandable, I was saying we should refrain from name calling when we clearly don't have all the facts in this case. You CAN explain things without understanding them.
In that case, yes, I agree with you on that.
The whore, etc. comments are out of place.
Even after going back it still comes off as if your 'For all we know...' comment applies more to her act than it does the name calling, as I don't see how your scenario is a response to the whore comments.
See if my mind changes about what? I can't believe it either. Which is exactly the reason I'm saying that there's something more to the story. What would cause it? Does it make what she's done any less? No. Do you really think she did it just to get rid of the child? Please. A sane person would not do that. That's all I'm saying. Killing or torturing her doesn't solve anything.
I think I should preface this by saying I'm not saying it's right...just playing Devil's advocate a bit.
If a sane person would not do that, and you consider her insane, killing her could well be a solution. If you kill the insane and no sane person would do what she did, then this wouldn't happen again, would it? She can't do the same thing to another baby if she's dead.
Again, I'm not saying she should be killed, just that it can solve some things.
