Russia invades Ukraine

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Leaving a wife and young daughter to go fight on the other side of the world seems like a pretty selfish move. Hope making his daughter have to grow up without a father was worth it to feel like a hero for a few months

Originally Posted by Sliver

I actually had the same thought as Hemi-Cuda. I'll be interested to hear other people chime in with their thoughts if this is indeed controversial, but I share his opinion that when you have young kids they should be your top priority over and above anything else to the extent that's possible. In this case, it was possible to not leave Canada and your role as a father. Fight wars before kids and after kids (if you still have the energy), but when you have a young family, you need to protect them first and foremost. You do that by being present.

Originally Posted by Sliver

Did he have a daughter when he went to Afghanistan, though? That's the difference.

It doesn't matter if he had a daughter, he had the nuts to step up and back his believes/values.

Its more than any of us have done.

How about not pissing on his grave.

[burn_this_city]

I find the idea he was out there chasing clout to be fairly repugnant. Most of these guys felt obligated to go knowing they could make a difference in a battle against authoritarian tyranny.

[Sliver]

We're not pissing on his grave, UCB. It's okay to question if he was the right guy for the job given has familial situation. We can agree to disagree, but to be clear, I think it's also a sacrifice to stay home to care for and love your daughter when you feel the pull to go fight in a war overseas.

I also understand why you have a different perspective and how your life experiences have shaped that point of view, but you are misrepresenting what we're saying.

I think there are likely Canadian vets that want to go to help in Ukraine and would go if they didn't have families to care for. Do they not have "nuts"?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I think there are likely Canadian vets that want to go to help in Ukraine and would go if they didn't have families to care for. Do they not have "nuts"?

No, not as it relates to this topic.

I don't expect you to understand, but I also don't expect people to questions decisions they don't understand or can't comprehend.


And yes you are pissing on his grave, IMO.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

No, not as it relates to this topic.

I don't expect you to understand, but I also don't expect people to questions decisions they don't understand or can't comprehend.

And yes you are pissing on his grave, IMO.

Pissing on somebody's grave is an egregious form of disrespect, disdain, and flippancy toward another person. We're not doing that at all.

You're relating to the soldier and that's fair.

I'm relating to the daughter who now doesn't have a dad. Had the dad made different decisions she would have had a better life, a protector and a provider. It's a tragedy she's going to grow up without that love and support. To acknowledge her loss that - from her perspective (and mine) - didn't have to happen is the exact opposite of pissing on a grave. It's mourning the loss for that family and the little girl.

[Sliver]

I guess maybe we're coming at this from different angles in that I think being a volunteer soldier is less important than being a father. I can understand if you feel being a soldier is more important (or larger calling) than being a father. I assume it was a difficult decision for this fellow to have had to make. RIP to him.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Did he have a daughter when he went to Afghanistan, though? That's the difference.

I don't know. They didn't give any date for when he was in Afghanistan and she is 13 now, so maybe.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Pissing on somebody's grave is an egregious form of disrespect, disdain, and flippancy toward another person. We're not doing that at all.

You're relating to the soldier and that's fair.

I am actually relating it to the whole family. I find it disrespectful to question decisions that you don't understand, maybe can never understand.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am actually relating it to the whole family. I find it disrespectful to question decisions that you don't understand, maybe can never understand.

Sorry, but isn't that kind of the entire point of CP; sharing opinions from different perspectives?

From your perspective, as a Vet (if I understand correctly), you understand the decision of Joseph Hildebrand to volunteer in Ukraine. Sense of duty, honor, defending those that can't defend themselves, what have you.

From other perspectives, the decision to leave your young daughter and wife to fight in war on the other side of the world, completely by free choice, is a head scratcher.

I don't think questioning that decision based on a different perspective is disrespectful and I certainly don't see it intended that way.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am actually relating it to the whole family. I find it disrespectful to question decisions that you don't understand, maybe can never understand.

Well, I'm not going to argue with a vet the day before Remembrance Day about this, so I'll leave you with the last word.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by you&me

Sorry, but isn't that kind of the entire point of CP; sharing opinions from different perspectives?

From your perspective, as a Vet (if I understand correctly), you understand the decision of Joseph Hildebrand to volunteer in Ukraine.

From other perspectives, the decision to leave your young daughter and wife to fight in war on the other side of the world, completely by free choice, is a head scratcher.

I don't think questioning that decision based on a different perspective is disrespectful and I certainly don't see it intended that way.

Sure it is the point, as is responding to the post/comments.

I find using "selfish" distasteful.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Well, I'm not going to argue with a vet the day before Remembrance Day about this, so I'll leave you with the last word.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

https://twitter.com/user/status/1590450308119158786

I thought Tucker Carlson was Russia's Tucker Carlson.

[BloodFetish]

Selfish was the wrong word. It's not selfish to volunteer your time, or to fight against an unjust invader.

But yeah, you can question his priorities.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by you&me

Sorry, but isn't that kind of the entire point of CP; sharing opinions from different perspectives?

From your perspective, as a Vet (if I understand correctly), you understand the decision of Joseph Hildebrand to volunteer in Ukraine. Sense of duty, honor, defending those that can't defend themselves, what have you.

From other perspectives, the decision to leave your young daughter and wife to fight in war on the other side of the world, completely by free choice, is a head scratcher.

I don't think questioning that decision based on a different perspective is disrespectful and I certainly don't see it intended that way.

I wonder if he is one of those guys that after serving in a war zone, just couldn't adjust back to normal life. It can have a way of really messing people up. I have read posts and blogs from other mercenaries and I get the sense that many of them live with so much anxiety and depression after coming back, that they just keep enlisting in order to keep it away from others.

It's almost like a long term suicide plan for some people. Similar to how when people kill themselves, others will talk to the "selfishness" of it, but without knowing what was happening in their heads, I don't think that is fair.

[Firebot]

https://jmvfh.utpjournals.press/doi/...had%20children.

Just over half (56%) of all Regular Force members were in a legal relationship (married or common-law), and 44% were single of which 8% have dependent family members. Almost half of all Regular Force members posted in Canada (47%) had children


https://www.sasktoday.ca/south/local...kraine-6076458

“Every Christmas he and his brother Jake would drive around to all of the neighbours here handing out boxes of chocolates and Christmas cards,” Clayton Hildebrand said.

Joseph Hildebrand was also loved by his longtime partner and her daughter, the cousin said.

The family doesn’t have any ties to Ukraine that Clayton Hildebrand is aware of, but he said Joseph Hildebrand always wanted to do what was right. He did not say when Joseph Hildebrand went to Ukraine.

“He felt compelled to go over there and help the Ukrainian people.”

To state he is selfish because he has family? He gave the ultimate sacrifice for others to be able to survive and may have saved a number of lives by fighting in Ukraine.

We wear a poppy on Nov 11 to remember the ultimate sacrifices of soldiers who fought to preserve our values, many across continents and many with families as well. Lest we forget.

[burn_this_city]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1590729203485356034

[SebC]

Prioritizing your family over other people is a form of selfishness (albeit a rational one).

[Hemi-Cuda]

Calling him selfish was probably the wrong word to use. But at the end of the day a young girl no longer has her father because of a decision he made that was completely unnecessary. That just doesn't sit well with me, I could never imagine abandoning my girls like that

[Itse]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

https://twitter.com/user/status/1590729203485356034

I miss the days when there was a difference between parody/satire and reality.