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Old 10-19-2022, 06:30 PM   #121
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For the record, Monahan started the season on the second line, but is now on:

SC1
PP1
PK2

Looking at faceoffs, considering he takes them in all three situations (5v5, 5v4, 4v5), I filtered faceoff stats on NHL.com to only players who have taken 50 5v5, 10 5v4 and 5 4v5 faceoffs or more. The goal isn't to look for "faceoff specialists" who excel at winning draws, but don't play on the PP or PK etc. The point is to compare Monahan to his peers.

So, using that criteria, Monahan is:
- 1st in all situations (63.5%) (ahead of Kopitar)
- 2nd in 5v5 (63.9%) (behind Kopitar)
- 5th in 5v4 (63.6%) (behind Bergeron) [Lindy is 1st at 81.8%(!!)]
- 4th in 4v5 (60%) (behind Draisaitl)
- 6th in OZ (57.7%) (behind Stephenson)
- 1st in NZ (75%) (ahead of Kopitar)
- 1st in DZ (64.3%) (ahead of Bergeron)
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Old 10-19-2022, 06:41 PM   #122
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Johnny better get used to having to score goals like this because lord knows he’s never going to get top tier linemates in Columbus.
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Old 10-19-2022, 06:44 PM   #123
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Monahan playing top line and #1 PP. They should have given us a first round pick.
Darnell Nurse is a top pairing D lol it’s all relative
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Old 10-19-2022, 08:12 PM   #124
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It looks like Johnny has a superstitious red Reebok undershirt he probably wore for years from his Flames days. It's in tatters and he's still wearing it in Columbus.

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It looks like Johnny has a superstitious red Reebok undershirt he probably wore for years from his Flames days. It's in tatters and he's still wearing it in Columbus.

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You can take Gaudreau out of the red but you cannot take the red out of Gaudreau.
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Old 10-19-2022, 08:20 PM   #126
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Bennett and Tkachuk 2 assists each tonight
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Bennett and Tkachuk 2 assists each tonight
Begs the question why we never played the two together here.
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Begs the question why we never played the two together here.
We did. They were no good.
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The reason why Bennett and Tkachuk are successful together now is because Bennett is actually a way better player than he was before.
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Monahan looked more like Johnny on that passing play. Beautiful set up.

And Johnny's goal against the Canucks was a beauty too.
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Old 10-20-2022, 07:52 AM   #131
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We did. They were no good.
For how long? A handful of shifts? They never got a consistent look together and not with Benny at C
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They were like 19 and 20 years old when we tried it, with Troy Brouwer. Bennett was at centre
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Old 10-20-2022, 08:20 AM   #133
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The reason why Bennett and Tkachuk are successful together now is because Bennett is actually a way better player than he was before.
Sure. But many of us argued at the time that more ice time in the top 6, with guys like Tkachuk, would have allowed Bennett to become a better player much quicker.

They kept playing him in a 3rd line role, and sure enough, he became a 3rd line player. The talent was there, the desire weas there. He should have been playing in a top 6 role with better line-mates, and if he was, he'd still be here.
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If Bennett had had the opportunity of more time with Sutter I think we would have seen dramatic improvements in his play too. He probably still wouldn't have been a top 3 C on the current roster.
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Old 10-20-2022, 08:28 AM   #135
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It's almost a venn diagram procedure to pull this together but from what I can gather

Time together in Calgary - 395 minutes 53% CF% -2 +/1 49.7 xGF%

They had 221 of those minutes with Mikael Backlund (all good numbers), and 31 minutes with Brouwer.

I think both players played with Brouwer more than that, but not both of them at the same time. Bennett had Brouwer 462 minutes, Tkachuk 157

Honestly the big chance should have come with Backlund, as he's always made everyone better. They were certainly good together by metrics, but didn't finish.
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That Brouwer signing was terrible even if you remove his contract from the equation. You have a guy on steep decline and a square peg in round hole head coach. It was the perfect storm of bad player and bad coach.
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If Bennett had had the opportunity of more time with Sutter I think we would have seen dramatic improvements in his play too. He probably still wouldn't have been a top 3 C on the current roster.
Not with his hockey iq of a longan. 3 games in and Bennett is legendary again! lol.

I hate Bennett more than Goodrow or Tkachuk. played over 400 games here and tried about about 10% of the time. loser
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Sure. But many of us argued at the time that more ice time in the top 6, with guys like Tkachuk, would have allowed Bennett to become a better player much quicker.

They kept playing him in a 3rd line role, and sure enough, he became a 3rd line player. The talent was there, the desire weas there. He should have been playing in a top 6 role with better line-mates, and if he was, he'd still be here.

He had plenty of opportunity here to play with good linemates, he was on the 3rd line but he was terrible when he played for us. He started figuring out his identity towards the time when he was traded from the Flames. He lacked an understanding of what playstyle will earn him constant success in the league, and I believe Huberdeau was the one who helped him a lot in that regard.



And I do not think Bennett would have became that player here while playing with Tkachuk. Tkachuk is not the type of player who can carry Bennett, but Huberdeau is/was, did we have somebody like Huberdeau to play with Bennett? No, but Florida did. Best alternative to Huberdeau that we had was Johny, but Bennett was not going to center him over Lindholm or late 2010s Monahan.
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Not with his hockey iq of a longan. 3 games in and Bennett is legendary again! lol.

I hate Bennett more than Goodrow or Tkachuk. played over 400 games here and tried about about 10% of the time. loser

No I do not think Bennett is a legendary or anything, it is just that he found a playstyle that works for him now and he has the confidence now. He is a decent 40-50 point player imo that can skate fast and crash the net
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No I do not think Bennett is a legendary or anything, it is just that he found a playstyle that works for him now and he has the confidence now. He is a decent 40-50 point player imo that can skate fast and crash the net
you may not but then you have pompom waving Austins pumping up his tires after every point.

It was total karma though. we used to call Taylor Hall the biggest derp and then we ended up with one with our highest draft pick in Flames history.

you can't trust this guy in big game situations. He will take a stupid penalty 100 feet from his net.
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