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Are there any examples of wonderful, walk-able, live-able cities/neighbourhoods that aren't also oppressively expensive? I'm struggling to think of any good examples of this.
I can only say this from a tourist perspective but I found Denver to be really easily walkable and seems to be very liveable and easy to navigate without a vehicle.
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Are there any examples of wonderful, walk-able, live-able cities/neighbourhoods that aren't also oppressively expensive? I'm struggling to think of any good examples of this.
There are plenty of them in Montreal.
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The truth lies between both narratives, it is foolish to suppose people don't want to have a rec room, dining room, back yard and spare bedroom, maybe a workshop and double garage, particularly if they have kids, if I could have that in East Van I would, people wanted to move out to the burbs, it offered them a lifestyle they just couldnt have in the city, the car just allowed it to happen, what people really want is to be close enough to the city to get a decent job but also have a 2500 square foot detached house
You're essentially just describing Calgary.
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The truth lies between both narratives, it is foolish to suppose people don't want to have a rec room, dining room, back yard and spare bedroom, maybe a workshop and double garage, particularly if they have kids, if I could have that in East Van I would, people wanted to move out to the burbs, it offered them a lifestyle they just couldnt have in the city, the car just allowed it to happen, what people really want is to be close enough to the city to get a decent job but also have a 2500 square foot detached house
I just want that at the top of a glass and steel skyscraper with two parking spots and a big wrap-around balcony.
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This is probably the last guy who should be an influential youtuber on the basis of his video production quality, but he does put candid video of what the DTES looks like if you're driving though. It's surprisingly hard to find this kind of content. This is his most recent video, comparing what it's like now to what it was right after the order to remove the tents in August. Sad situation.

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At least three high-profile incidents this week have led to questions about how B.C.'s court system handles alleged violent offenders, but a local criminal lawyer says the burden is not solely on the legal system.

On Monday, a woman was followed into the lobby of her Yaletown apartment building and violently assaulted by a stranger. Bystanders intervened and held the man until police arrived. Bryce Michael Flores-Bebington was charged with assault and uttering threats, and then released from custody.

Thursday, Mohammed Majidpour was jailed for allegedly attacking a 19-year-old female student with a pole in downtown Vancouver on Sept. 27. He also is alleged to have shouted racial slurs. In 2021, Majidpour was charged with harassing Jamie Coutts after she posted a video of herself being followed. Court documents also show Majidpour had violated his probation several times.

And Friday, Vancouver police warned a province-wide warrant had been issued for Kenneth Stephen Solowan, saying he disappeared "immediately" after being granted bail. Solowan is accused of slashing two people with a machete on June 19, including Casey Janulis, who told CTV News she had been living in fear since his release on bail.

According to an expert report commissioned by the provincial government, in Vancouver “stranger attacks in 2020-21 increased by 35 per cent compared to 2019, coinciding with the pandemic."

The report also stated that most suspects "had been apprehended previously under the Mental Health Act and most had been named as suspects or charged in previous violent crime incidents.”

On the issue of bail, the report quoted a probation officer as saying: “We are seeing people be released into community on bail that definitely pose a significant public safety risk.”
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Can anyone familiar with the current situation in Vancouver comment on their train system safety? I know Calgary has gone to #### but how is Vancouver doing? We are going in two weeks and we've always rented a car. I have a rental set up but between the ~$2.50/L gasoline and $40 per night parking I was thinking about just doing the train. We would do YVR to Waterfront to get to the hotel. Waterfront to BC Place and back. Waterfront to Granville Island and finally Granville to YVR. Anything I should know about if I cancel my car?
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Can anyone familiar with the current situation in Vancouver comment on their train system safety? I know Calgary has gone to #### but how is Vancouver doing? We are going in two weeks and we've always rented a car. I have a rental set up but between the ~$2.50/L gasoline and $40 per night parking I was thinking about just doing the train. We would do YVR to Waterfront to get to the hotel. Waterfront to BC Place and back. Waterfront to Granville Island and finally Granville to YVR. Anything I should know about if I cancel my car?

I've lived in Vancouver for 6 years now and I've never experienced any safety concerns on the Skytrains. You'll be fine.
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Can anyone familiar with the current situation in Vancouver comment on their train system safety? I know Calgary has gone to #### but how is Vancouver doing? We are going in two weeks and we've always rented a car. I have a rental set up but between the ~$2.50/L gasoline and $40 per night parking I was thinking about just doing the train. We would do YVR to Waterfront to get to the hotel. Waterfront to BC Place and back. Waterfront to Granville Island and finally Granville to YVR. Anything I should know about if I cancel my car?
The stations are all ccct'vd 24/7, the system has the most expensive police force in Canada in order to hand out fare evasion tickets and the stations are all well designed and well lit, they are certain stations, Broadway New Westminster and King George come to mind, where the surrounding neighborhoods are somewhat shady
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Can anyone familiar with the current situation in Vancouver comment on their train system safety? I know Calgary has gone to #### but how is Vancouver doing? We are going in two weeks and we've always rented a car. I have a rental set up but between the ~$2.50/L gasoline and $40 per night parking I was thinking about just doing the train. We would do YVR to Waterfront to get to the hotel. Waterfront to BC Place and back. Waterfront to Granville Island and finally Granville to YVR. Anything I should know about if I cancel my car?
Lol. Probably the safest transit trip route in the world.

Don't hang around King George station too long at two AM. Other than that you'll be totally safe.
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I can only say this from a tourist perspective but I found Denver to be really easily walkable and seems to be very liveable and easy to navigate without a vehicle.
That's probably true of almost all bigger cities, there will always be some spots (usually the tourist areas or government/business districts) that will be easy to get around with without car.

But metro Denver is twice the population of Calgary, but only has 2/3 of the pre-COVID transit ridership (despite massive recent investment). It's still a sprawling city where the vast majority of its residents drive.
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I've honestly never felt unsafe in downtown Vancouver. Walked around at night with my kids back in May and never worried. It's scary in the this is ####ed up kind of way not scary I'm going to be mugged. Most of the problem spots are easy to avoid as well. You could also walk. BC Place is only 15-20 minutes from waterfront or down to the little ferries. Train would save a few minutes. If those are your trips I see no need for a car. Taken the train more than a few times from downtown to YVR it is pretty easy and quick.
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Thanks for the help folks. Train it is.
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I've honestly never felt unsafe in downtown Vancouver. Walked around at night with my kids back in May and never worried. It's scary in the this is ####ed up kind of way not scary I'm going to be mugged. Most of the problem spots are easy to avoid as well. You could also walk. BC Place is only 15-20 minutes from waterfront or down to the little ferries. Train would save a few minutes. If those are your trips I see no need for a car. Taken the train more than a few times from downtown to YVR it is pretty easy and quick.
I would say this is true for guys, but much less for women. I agree that most of the scary stuff is pretty harmless in the sense that it's people who are more involved in harming themselves than harming others, but women seem to be the target of harm much more while violence is mostly being done by men.
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I would say this is true for guys, but much less for women. I agree that most of the scary stuff is pretty harmless in the sense that it's people who are more involved in harming themselves than harming others, but women seem to be the target of harm much more while violence is mostly being done by men.
Women are far more likely to be the target of sexual
or domestic violence. Men are overall more likely to be physically assaulted by a stranger through. Men account for 80% of victims of assaults by strangers and 65% of all robbery victims:

https://www.victimsweek.gc.ca/res/r5...20the%20family.
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Women are far more likely to be the target of sexual
or domestic violence. Men are overall more likely to be physically assaulted by a stranger through. Men account for 80% of victims of assaults by strangers and 65% of all robbery victims:

https://www.victimsweek.gc.ca/res/r5...20the%20family.
Thanks. Maybe it's just that what I've seen in news and media has so frequently been female victims.

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The data shows most assaults are in the dense northern sections of Vancouver — especially among the towers of the downtown business district and condos of Yaletown, where 1,779 assaults, or almost two in five, occurred in 2021.

The second highest number of assaults last year, 703, were in Strathcona, which includes the largely impoverished Downtown Eastside.

The West End, an apartment zone between Stanley Park and the business district, had the third-highest number of overall assaults, with 436. It is followed by Mount Pleasant (273) and Grandview-Woodland (258), which are also near downtown.
https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/...g-to-vancouver

Wish there was more detailed contextual data, but even the VPD's open data for crime has only the most basic info.
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I've honestly never felt unsafe in downtown Vancouver. Walked around at night with my kids back in May and never worried. It's scary in the this is ####ed up kind of way not scary I'm going to be mugged. Most of the problem spots are easy to avoid as well. You could also walk. BC Place is only 15-20 minutes from waterfront or down to the little ferries. Train would save a few minutes. If those are your trips I see no need for a car. Taken the train more than a few times from downtown to YVR it is pretty easy and quick.
For real? Have you walked around Granville, especially the side street alleys? I was waiting last week on my wife and parked in the alley and wow, some of the #### you see within 5-10 mins...
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Can anyone familiar with the current situation in Vancouver comment on their train system safety? I know Calgary has gone to #### but how is Vancouver doing? We are going in two weeks and we've always rented a car. I have a rental set up but between the ~$2.50/L gasoline and $40 per night parking I was thinking about just doing the train. We would do YVR to Waterfront to get to the hotel. Waterfront to BC Place and back. Waterfront to Granville Island and finally Granville to YVR. Anything I should know about if I cancel my car?
The Skytrain system is safe and makes total sense for you and your family to take while visiting. One thing I highly recommend, for your trip to Granville Island, since you're going from Waterfront, take the Aquabus there! A short ride on their little boats across False Creek will be a fun time for y'all. Just take the Skytrain from Waterfront down to Yaletown station, get off and walk along the water to David Lam station.

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I've honestly never felt unsafe in downtown Vancouver. Walked around at night with my kids back in May and never worried. It's scary in the this is ####ed up kind of way not scary I'm going to be mugged. Most of the problem spots are easy to avoid as well. You could also walk. BC Place is only 15-20 minutes from waterfront or down to the little ferries. Train would save a few minutes. If those are your trips I see no need for a car. Taken the train more than a few times from downtown to YVR it is pretty easy and quick.
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For real? Have you walked around Granville, especially the side street alleys? I was waiting last week on my wife and parked in the alley and wow, some of the #### you see within 5-10 mins...
I'm going to chime in on this because I hung out with Gala in Vancouver....this is easy for him to say because he is basically 'Bigfoot.' Nobody in their right mind is going to go messing with him.
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