Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving WJ players

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

As stated earlier, most of these "kids" show up with the ####ty attitude long before HC is involved. Where does it come from?

How do you propose fixing parents?

It is a bit more in our control to flush the turds who are encouraging/enabling this toxicity. The vaccuum may be filled by new idiots who are just as toxic, but it's hard to imagine it getting any worse (especially given the scrutiny that is sure to follow).

And here's the thing...I'm not sure HC's actions prior to these things coming to light were necessarily horrendous/inexcusable (though they probably are). What I am 100% sure of is that their response to this crisis demonstrates unfathomable incompetence that is absolutely inexcusable.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

How do you propose fixing parents?

It is a bit more in our control to flush the turds who are encouraging/enabling this toxicity. The vaccuum may be filled by new idiots who are just as toxic, but it's hard to imagine it getting any worse (especially given the scrutiny that is sure to follow).

And here's the thing...I'm not sure HC's actions prior to these things coming to light were necessarily horrendous/inexcusable (though they probably are). What I am 100% sure of is that their response to this crisis demonstrates unfathomable incompetence that is absolutely inexcusable.

I agree 100% but as I said most of the kids at that level arrive as finished personalities. They are just trying to cover HC in everything.

If the kids don't get it, even starting as young as 14, then they don't play. There is too much emphasis of winning put at too young of an age. If your best player is behaving in an unapproved manner, which will be spelled out to the parents and kids before the season starts, then he is done playing no matter how good he is. Make the parents understand and tell them what their part in the whole thing is.

You shouldn't have to do this but just sit and watch any upper league sport and pay attention to the fans and coaches. If the coach is bitching and moaning on every call he isn't the guy to be leading your kids when a calm demeanor is needed. Sit and listen to the parents in the crowd demean other kids with comments like "Timmy is way better than that kid, why is he playing ahead of my kid".

As I stated earlier my son played high level basketball and the constant bitching by parents was embarrassing. It got so bad that we contacted the UofC, MRU and Sait coaches to come do evalutations at try outs and they picked the team. So many parents were pissed off when their kids didn't make the team and made comments "Well I have volunteered with the organization for years". The coaches finally told the parents that their kids weren't good enough and probably the only reason they were playing was because of parental interference. Tough pill to swallow.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

I agree 100% but as I said most of the kids at that level arrive as finished personalities. They are just trying to cover HC in everything.

If the kids don't get it, even starting as young as 14, then they don't play. There is too much emphasis of winning put at too young of an age. If your best player is behaving in an unapproved manner, which will be spelled out to the parents and kids before the season starts, then he is done playing no matter how good he is. Make the parents understand and tell them what their part in the whole thing is.

You shouldn't have to do this but just sit and watch any upper league sport and pay attention to the fans and coaches. If the coach is bitching and moaning on every call he isn't the guy to be leading your kids when a calm demeanor is needed. Sit and listen to the parents in the crowd demean other kids with comments like "Timmy is way better than that kid, why is he playing ahead of my kid".

As I stated earlier my son played high level basketball and the constant bitching by parents was embarrassing. It got so bad that we contacted the UofC, MRU and Sait coaches to come do evalutations at try outs and they picked the team. So many parents were pissed off when their kids didn't make the team and made comments "Well I have volunteered with the organization for years". The coaches finally told the parents that their kids weren't good enough and probably the only reason they were playing was because of parental interference. Tough pill to swallow.

I don't think anybody is under the impression that replacing HC leadership will fix everything. It's just an obvious first step right now.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I don't think anybody is under the impression that replacing HC leadership will fix everything. It's just an obvious first step right now.

I agree, and the step needs to be taken but address the start of a solution at the same time and it doesn't need to be some in depth 1000 page government panel paper. It is pretty simple, our team/league rules are this, if you don't live up to these 10 decent human being points you are done with our team and the report will be filed with the league, signed by team/parents/kids. Each league can set up a committee to review complaints, and when the investigation is ongoing the person is suspended from the team.

Set up new HC to provide legal aid IF/WHEN the complaint is deemed true to protect any team/league that is sued by moron parents to keep the kid playing.

I watched some of the #### show going on by members of parliament in the hearing and it is embarrassing for everyone involved.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

I am not defending HC. But if you feel that someone "watching" these kids will stop what is happening at this level it is too late. As someone else mentioned the NDA and payouts were recommended by someone who is trying to save face and is wrong. What I am saying is the youth coaches and parents have to enforce the "no ###### bag" attitude as soon as they see it popping up.

I will give you one example from my history. A very close friend of my son (20 years ago) was the nicest kid on the planet, very friendly and would do anything for anyone. His dream was always to play Major Midget hockey and he finally realized his dream. Within 3 months of achieving this he totally changed and became an entitled ass who thought he could do or say anything. One day he made an offhand comment to my daughter (who he had known for 10 years) and her friends, acting cool in front of his new friends, but his problem was I was within hearing distance. I walked over, grabbed him and took him directly to his parents and made him tell them what he had said. His dad was old school like me and he had one choice, change back to the kid he was before or his hockey was done.

I saw the same thing in my sons basketball teams etc., and his sister sat him down and read him the riot act and I told him that if he ever acted in that manner or allowed his friends to then he was done playing also.

The thing is most parents are living their fantasy of playing thru the kids so don't put a stop to that ####. The parents of my sons hockey friend and myself weren't interested in living thru them, they didn't understand hockey as immigrant parents and I had no dream of basketball other than to support the kids. A little supervision by the family and some strength from the elite teams would put an end to this long before it becomes a problem. The first team meeting should be about one thing, respect other people and NEVER let something like this happen in our team environment.

I agree. By the time they get to junior it’s too late. If the behaviours are present they are engrained at that point.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

I agree, and the step needs to be taken but address the start of a solution at the same time and it doesn't need to be some in depth 1000 page government panel paper. It is pretty simple, our team/league rules are this, if you don't live up to these 10 decent human being points you are done with our team and the report will be filed with the league, signed by team/parents/kids. Each league can set up a committee to review complaints, and when the investigation is ongoing the person is suspended from the team.

Set up new HC to provide legal aid IF/WHEN the complaint is deemed true to protect any team/league that is sued by moron parents to keep the kid playing.

I watched some of the #### show going on by members of parliament in the hearing and it is embarrassing for everyone involved.

It would be nice if it was actually that simple. It isn't. A good ideal to work towards, though.

[Northendzone]

unfortunately some of this deplorable behaviour starts in quadrant hockey (oor whatever the equivalent is in other jurisdictions). when the boys hit 15, you start to know which players are issues, the coaches always say they won't take guys that are "problem children", but in my experience, those boys are always selected for the team and nobody has the guts to call out the deplorable behavior

i am thinking the upside of the sponsors pulling out is that the WJHC will be broadcast commercial free and the game played in about 90m or so

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I agree. By the time they get to junior it’s too late. If the behaviours are present they are engrained at that point.

Everything we know about how young people develop suggests otherwise.

[The Cobra]

Who is more hated in Calgary these days?

Connor McDavid
Johnny Gaudreau
Jeffrey Dahlmer
Andrea Skinner

[D as in David]

HC's response to this has been so abysmal I'm almost expecting them to complain that they are being cancelled by woke culture.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Who is more hated in Calgary these days?

Connor McDavid
Johnny Gaudreau
Jeffrey Dahlmer
Andrea Skinner

Candrea McSkinner

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1578450156185608192

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1578467470578356224

[Gaudfather]

Looks like Hockey Canada has something they don't want seeing the light of day!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1578484524970754050

[Enoch Root]

if you're a publicly funded organization, your financial data is public information - go #### yourselves

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

How do you propose fixing parents?

It is a bit more in our control to flush the turds who are encouraging/enabling this toxicity. The vaccuum may be filled by new idiots who are just as toxic, but it's hard to imagine it getting any worse (especially given the scrutiny that is sure to follow).
And here's the thing...I'm not sure HC's actions prior to these things coming to light were necessarily horrendous/inexcusable (though they probably are). What I am 100% sure of is that their response to this crisis demonstrates unfathomable incompetence that is absolutely inexcusable.

1. Hockey Canada’s domestic & international operations need to be completely separate entities and organizations.

2. Domestic Hockey Canada operations need to rebuild trust with provincial and municipal partner organizations. Doing so will be difficult, and requires a foundation of transparency, consistency, and accountability. These are the basic tenets of good governance.

3. If it isn’t acceptable in the classroom it isn’t acceptable on ice or in the dressing room.

Support each organization with Coaching & Teaching mentorship predicted in evidence based sports science, proper biomechanical and childhood psychological instruction for every age division.

When the clown parents act like clowns give associations the wherewithal to explicitly explain to the “experts without expertise” how/when/where/why they are NOT experts, precisely with evidence (tough love, yelling, violence, abuse & trauma in all of its forms). When they repeatedly ignore corrections, do not listen, or they misbehave have a procedure in place for their removal.

4. Develop programs for every level of player. Beginner to elite in each age group.

The joy and exuberance of youth sport is a result of it being the time in a persons life when learning complex tasks is fun, and the line between work & play is blurred.

Some kids want to be challenged more and harder than others. Creating and regulating these environments will not be simple, straightforward, or easy. But minimizing & mitigating cronyism & nepotism must be a consistent focus.

The purpose of this isn’t to develop elite players either. It is to keep all or as many players as possible in a structure where appropriate checks and balances exist, cutting off the oxygen that enables any shady leagues and teams.

Of course all of this doesn’t address the rising costs of the sport.

If access to hockey was through the school system, equipment costs could be reduced (no one buys football equipment), vacant icetime during the day could be utilized and more children could experience and fall in love with the sport. The 4 points above would either already be in place or easier to administrate.

Maybe I’m a pessimist, but I’m also under no delusion that ANY of this will happen.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Boreal

1. Hockey Canada’s domestic & international operations need to be completely separate entities and organizations.

2. Domestic Hockey Canada operations need to rebuild trust with provincial and municipal partner organizations. Doing so will be difficult, and requires a foundation of transparency, consistency, and accountability. These are the basic tenets of good governance.

3. If it isn’t acceptable in the classroom it isn’t acceptable on ice or in the dressing room.

Support each organization with Coaching & Teaching mentorship predicted in evidence based sports science, proper biomechanical and childhood psychological instruction for every age division.

When the clown parents act like clowns give associations the wherewithal to explicitly explain to the “experts without expertise” how/when/where/why they are NOT experts, precisely with evidence (tough love, yelling, violence, abuse & trauma in all of its forms). When they repeatedly ignore corrections, do not listen, or they misbehave have a procedure in place for their removal.

4. Develop programs for every level of player. Beginner to elite in each age group.

The joy and exuberance of youth sport is a result of it being the time in a persons life when learning complex tasks is fun, and the line between work & play is blurred.

Some kids want to be challenged more and harder than others. Creating and regulating these environments will not be simple, straightforward, or easy. But minimizing & mitigating cronyism & nepotism must be a consistent focus.

The purpose of this isn’t to develop elite players either. It is to keep all or as many players as possible in a structure where appropriate checks and balances exist, cutting off the oxygen that enables any shady leagues and teams.

Of course all of this doesn’t address the rising costs of the sport.

If access to hockey was through the school system, equipment costs could be reduced (no one buys football equipment), vacant icetime during the day could be utilized and more children could experience and fall in love with the sport. The 4 points above would either already be in place or easier to administrate.

Maybe I’m a pessimist, but I’m also under no delusion that ANY of this will happen.

So...better leadership and accountability demands from HC leadership? And not just saying "well the parents are toxic so the kids become toxic so what do we expect HC to do?"

[Roughneck]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1578899046726762496

I’d have to think she probably wants one of those interviews back.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

https://twitter.com/user/status/1578899046726762496

I’d have to think she probably wants one of those interviews back.

I dont get it, if it were me I'd be deserting this sinking ship as fast as my feet would take me.

Unless they think they are otherwise completely unemployable.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

https://twitter.com/user/status/1578899046726762496

I’d have to think she probably wants one of those interviews back.

Had they been interviews then some of it could be explained off as misspeak.

These were prepared statements as they testified to MP’s. Did she not have a single person review her testimony? It’s bananas.