2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I've been wondering about this myself.

Vegas and Montreal are actually okay. They have enough going to LTIR to make them cap compliant. Montreal has a full roster, Vegas needs to sign Hague and add a 7th d-man.

Edmonton is boned. They need to shed 2 million just to add 2 minimum salary players. Every team knows this so Holland is over a barrel. Puljujarvi leaving would help money wise, but then they'd need 3 league minimum players to fill out their roster. Which is fine.

Toronto isn't much better unless they have a player going to LTIR no one is aware of. They need to shed $2.5M just to sign Sandin. They have lots of forwards, so trading Kerfoot or Engvall accomplishes this.

Vancouver is okay. If the players currently on injured reserve come off, they have a full roster and Ferland on LTIR puts them below the cap.

Boston is weird. 24 one way contracts and $2.2 M over the cap. Trading Foligno or DeBrusk solves that. Foligno would probably cost them something to trade, while DeBrusk may be a sought after player. Maybe Matt Grzelcyk could be traded? Just because his money lines up with their current cap overage.

Florida isn't in a great spot either. It's like they forgot they had $6.5M in dead cap with this year. They need to lose about $5 M if they want to run with a 23 man roster. Trading Hörnqvist accomplishes that.

Carolina is okay until Pacioretty comes back.

Philadelphia might be in tough unless Ellis is still out.

Washington has room until (if?) Backstrom comes back.

There's not a lot of time until the start of the season and it seems to me there's a few teams who HAVE to move money and really no one who HAS to take on money. Those who have to move money are in for a rough ride me thinks. Which is good, because the Oilers and Leafs fall into this category.

This is a great breakout, and highlights how some teams are going to be in tough just to get their opening day roster, let alone some of the fan-dreamed trades being proposed all over the place.

The fact of the matter is that the flat cap not only hurt teams needing to see that constant increase to outrun bad signings, but also didn't raise the floor. This means there is no pressure on any team to take on bad contracts to hit the minimum cap. Also, teams can only carry 3 retained salaries at a time, and Arizona already has one. Which means that if the hope is teams can get them to be a third party retainer for trades, there are only 2 spots left and they will be in demand, meaning the price for that retention goes up.

[Vinny01]

Thoughts on a Kylington for Garland swap?

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Toffoli
Mangiapane-Kadri-Garland
Dube-Backlund-Coleman
Lucic-Rooney-Lewis

Weegar-Tanev
Hanifin-Anderson
Zadorov-Mackey

Markstrom
Vladar

[Enoch Root]

Doesn't fit, cap-wise. You'd have to throw in Dube to make the cap work, at which point - not a chance

[ForeverFlameFan]

Not enough for Garland

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Doesn't fit, cap-wise. You'd have to throw in Dube to make the cap work, at which point - not a chance

Flames could make it work cap wise without Dube. They have 2.1M in space and the difference in cap between Garland and Kylington is 2.45. They may need to make some other cap related moves and carry a smaller roster but it would be workable without sending out 2.3M in Dube.

I have just read the Canucks have been talking to the Flames about D from a few different twitter folks out west. Likely a non story but spitballing what a deal could look like.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Not enough for Garland

A 31pt D is not enough for a 52pt winger? Seems like a fairly decent swap a second pairing guy for a second line wing. The D is 25 and the wing 26. Again spitballing because the Canucks need D and the Flames need a right shot wing and Garland’s name has been in the rumor mill since Rutherford took over.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Flames could make it work cap wise without Dube. They have 2.1M in space and the difference in cap between Garland and Kylington is 2.45. They may need to make some other cap related moves and carry a smaller roster but it would be workable without sending out 2.3M in Dube.

I have just read the Canucks have been talking to the Flames about D from a few different twitter folks out west. Likely a non story but spitballing what a deal could look like.

Hanifin for Garland maybe?

They have the exact same cap hits (which is weird, because they are really precise numbers). Garland is a pretty tenacious player that I think would do well under Sutter. He is also a right shot good for 50 points.

On another board I suggested Hanifin and Emilio Pettersen for Garland and Jett Woo. The prospects would balance out the trade (a D and F going each way).

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Hanifin for Garland maybe?

They have the exact same cap hits (which is weird, because they are really precise numbers). Garland is a pretty tenacious player that I think would do well under Sutter. He is also a right shot good for 50 points.

On another board I suggested Hanifin and Emilio Pettersen for Garland and Jett Woo. The prospects would balance out the trade (a D and F going each way).

Garland+1st maybe. Hanifin is a top pairing D who had only 4 less points that Garland. Seems like a fleecing by the Canucks there.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Garland+1st maybe. Hanifin is a top pairing D who had only 4 less points that Garland. Seems like a fleecing by the Canucks there.

It would be Garland+ for Hanifin but not a 1st. Keep in mind Garland has 4 years on that contract.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

It would be Garland+ for Hanifin but not a 1st. Keep in mind Garland has 4 years on that contract.

There is no deal to be done then in my opinion. I would hate to trade a top pairing Dman who has taken significant steps in each of the last 2 seasons to a division rival for a second line winger without a significant plus and that plus needs to be a first pick considering the Canucks have a garbage prospect pool

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

It would be Garland+ for Hanifin but not a 1st. Keep in mind Garland has 4 years on that contract.

It would 100% require a 1st for Hanifin. It would require Garland + 1st + to get Hanifin.

Also why the hell would we trade Hanifin to Vancouver for a depth winger?

Top pairing defenceman >>>> depth winger

Positional importance: Everything else >> Winger.

[dino7c]

Seems like this needs to be posted daily...I should add it to my sig maybe

Hanifin, top 5 pick, 25 years old dman, coming off 48 points and +27

Guy is criminally underrated in his own market

[TheScorpion]

"depth winger" ?? I don't think it's a fair 1-for-1 trade either but let's not call Garland something he's not. He's a very good player.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

"depth winger" ?? I don't think it's a fair 1-for-1 trade either but let's not call Garland something he's not. He's a very good player.

He's a mid 20s, middle 6, small winger that is maybe 500k underpaid. Hanifin, Andersson or Weegar are worth more than 99 point JT Miller much less mighty mouse over there. Kylington+2nd is fair if the cap works

[TheScorpion]

Garland profiles pretty similarly to Mangiapane across the board.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

"depth winger" ?? I don't think it's a fair 1-for-1 trade either but let's not call Garland something he's not. He's a very good player.

Depth players can be good players.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

He's a mid 20s, middle 6, small winger that is maybe 500k underpaid. Hanifin, Andersson or Weegar are worth more than 99 point JT Miller much less mighty mouse over there. Kylington+2nd is fair if the cap works

I think he is a legit 4-6 forward. If he is on a team's 3rd line, that is a likely a very stacked team. He would definitely be a top 6 on the Flames.

As mentioned, he is very comparable to Mangiapane, but makes about $1 million less per season and is locked in for a while.

I agree that Vancouver might have to add more if it was Hanifin going the other way, but I don't think it would be as much as a 1st.

[AustinL_NHL]

Garland is at worst an elite 2nd line player that is very underpaid

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Garland is at worst an elite 2nd line player that is very underpaid

I do. If that’s the top offer no thanks. Top four top three defencemen entering his prime for a top six winger and a second?

Who wouldn’t beat that for him and all it would take is a middling prospect or a first and a third or fourth. Poor return any way you slice it.

Sorry this was meant for flamesadiction.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Fan69

I do. If that’s the top offer no thanks. Top four top three defencemen entering his prime for a top six winger and a second?

Who wouldn’t beat that for him and all it would take is a middling prospect or a first and a third or fourth. Poor return any way you slice it.

Sorry this was meant for flamesadiction.

See this but still agree.

Wouldn't trade Hanifin for Garland without a big add.

Love our D-core as it is and trading a top pair D-man for a player of Garland's caliber, while great, is not worth it to me.