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Old 09-05-2022, 10:03 AM   #2181
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That doesn’t even make any sense. The world doesn’t follow common sense? It’s just bad planning, plain and simple

When they close any road, they put up one of those big roadside led signs warning people to take alt route xyz. They didn’t even have that.
Looks like you just pulled parade planning duty!
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Old 09-05-2022, 10:04 AM   #2182
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That doesn’t even make any sense. The world doesn’t follow common sense? It’s just bad planning, plain and simple

When they close any road, they put up one of those big roadside led signs warning people to take alt route xyz. They didn’t even have that.
I'd like to introduce you to the world of pathway closures, particularly when it's close at the bottom of a log hill, with no sign anywhere. Often you can't just hop over to another road, either.
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Old 09-05-2022, 10:04 AM   #2183
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Don't know what else to tell ya, they did nothing different than any other event. Traffic jams happen during every parade, they could put all kinds of signs, warnings, detours, and people would just ignore them anyway
Ah good. So since the city does a terrible job all the time it doesn’t matter?
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Old 09-05-2022, 10:05 AM   #2184
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Well they obviously didn’t do a very good job because from what I could see the entire core was one big traffic jam for a few hours.

There is Waze, and also Google and Apple Maps highlight areas of congestion. It shouldn’t be hard to navigate around.
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Old 09-05-2022, 10:07 AM   #2185
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Ah good. So since the city does a terrible job all the time it doesn’t matter?
You want to pay for triple the man hours to set all that up? Because I'm not going to, and it wouldn't make a difference anyway
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Old 09-05-2022, 10:25 AM   #2186
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But it wasn’t just one road. It was a dozen roads, probably more. And none of them were reported closed on gps. And no detours were set up. And they were critical roads with no way around. With no signs either. Literally it was impossible to get from the north side of 9th to the south side of 9th between Macleod and 11st. That’s all of downtown. No cops directing traffic, no alternate routes set up, no signage, no google maps. Just close half of downtown and call it a day. It was hilarious incompetence.
It didn’t seem different than the stampede parade to me.
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Old 09-05-2022, 10:26 AM   #2187
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Well they obviously didn’t do a very good job because from what I could see the entire core was one big traffic jam for a few hours.


Why don't you do what normal people do during a parade-caused traffic jam and check out an apartment?


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That's literally the dumbest thing you can do. If people are being jackasses it's because they're jackasses. Way better to tell the campground staff and let them deal with it thus leaving you out of it and not in a position of being at war with your neighbour on your fataing holiday.
Hide raw meat around their campsite and let the bears figure it out
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Old 09-05-2022, 11:00 AM   #2189
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It's incredible how upset people get if a road is closed. I don't mean you, but In the age of everyone having a GPS in their hands, it's amazing to me that people absolutely lose their minds if their favourite way is unavailable. I've had people literally crying because they don't know how to get home any other way
At times I wonder if GPS has eroded people's critical thinking skills when it comes to directions.

Back in the day you at least had to have some semblance of an understanding of where you're going. Maybe you'd look it up before you leave, whatever.

But now with GPS you just punch it in and either figure it out as you go or just do as you're told.

And if for whatever reason something isnt working out people are completely unprepared or incapable of figuring it out.

Its like when people make a crazy maneuver on Deerfoot because they might miss their exit so they have to hammer the brakes and move over 3 lanes immediately for that exit OR THEY WILL NEVER SEE HOME AGAIN!!!

Its like...its okay, you werent paying attention, you missed your exit. It'll be alright, I promise. Instead of driving like a lunatic, why not perhaps take the next one?
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Hasn’t most technology that handles people’s tasks for them eroded their thinking skills. It’s a global problem and it’s only getting worse.
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Hasn’t most technology that handles people’s tasks for them eroded their thinking skills. It’s a global problem and it’s only getting worse.
I don't think that it is thinking skills as much as it is stress level.

People get needlessly stressed by what are mostly unimportant inconveniences. Folks start to focus too much on why they're angry instead of what the solution is.
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At times I wonder if GPS has eroded people's critical thinking skills when it comes to directions.

Back in the day you at least had to have some semblance of an understanding of where you're going. Maybe you'd look it up before you leave, whatever.

But now with GPS you just punch it in and either figure it out as you go or just do as you're told.

And if for whatever reason something isnt working out people are completely unprepared or incapable of figuring it out.

Its like when people make a crazy maneuver on Deerfoot because they might miss their exit so they have to hammer the brakes and move over 3 lanes immediately for that exit OR THEY WILL NEVER SEE HOME AGAIN!!!

Its like...its okay, you werent paying attention, you missed your exit. It'll be alright, I promise. Instead of driving like a lunatic, why not perhaps take the next one?
Maybe I just think differently, if I was downtown yesterday, saw a closed road along the route I needed, I'd look it up, see that it's closed all the way from 1st to 11th, so would go to 14th then be on my way.

But I had a good chuckle thinking of someone literally trying every block and flipping out.
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Old 09-05-2022, 11:55 AM   #2193
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Maybe I just think differently, if I was downtown yesterday, saw a closed road along the route I needed, I'd look it up, see that it's closed all the way from 1st to 11th, so would go to 14th then be on my way.

But I had a good chuckle thinking of someone literally trying every block and flipping out.
Per the pride parade tweets it was open at 4th as well not sure if that’s true or not.
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Old 09-05-2022, 12:22 PM   #2194
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Two roads were closed: 9 ave (between 11 st sw and 8 st SE) and two blocks of 6 st se.

You could cross 9th on 11th, 8th, and 4th. This information was all easy to find (and posted by YYC Transportation) and most of it was for less than half a day. It wasn’t “dozens” of roads “or more”, nor was it “literally impossible” to get from one side to the other. It wasn’t incompetence, nor was it some unexpected event. It happens every year (multiple times if you count other events) and information is available basically everywhere.

I don’t think it’s just that technology is rotting people’s brains. I drive with GPS all the time, even when I know where I’m going (usually to find the fastest route or avoid traffic). But when I don’t have it, I’ve still developed enough navigation skills that I can get anywhere from anywhere in Calgary and a few other cities. I miss turns sometimes but just take the next one because, if you know how to drive and know how to navigate, you understand that most roads will connect to where you want to go one way or another. I think part of the issue is entitlement, especially post-pandemic. People are so used to being on their own and being able to adapt experiences to their needs that they start to feel entitled to it, even in public settings, as though failing to navigate is always someone else’s fault. “This isn’t going exactly how I expected, so now I’m mad/will do whatever I want to make it go the way I want.” Like, I’m sorry, you know 9th ave is closed and you can’t figure out that 4th and 8th go under it? Don’t be afraid to think.

When there’s a road closure you pick an alternate route. When you miss your turn you take the next one. These are basics.
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Camping was awesome when I was younger but sleeping around other people is not happening with snorers in tents, hyena partiers, yappy dogs, early morning wood choppers, people with cars that honk when locking the doors, trunks slamming, obnoxious kids everywhere, pot smoke, and needing to haul a house to have a minimum standard bed.
That and shivering all night in a tent. I like camping during the day: it's hot out, the scenery is gorgeous, you can chill in the water or throw a football around, etc. Once it's night, I'm over it.

And yeah the few times I've been in a camp site in the style you're describing, there's always a combo of loud people ignoring noise rules, and an overly irritable parent or older person who seems to have deluded themselves into believing a long weekend at a campsite will be dead quiet, and is blown away and enraged this isn't the case. Both types are annoying.
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I love GPS!

My wife argues with it instead of having a go at me.
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Old 09-05-2022, 12:46 PM   #2197
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I don't think that it is thinking skills as much as it is stress level.

People get needlessly stressed by what are mostly unimportant inconveniences. Folks start to focus too much on why they're angry instead of what the solution is.
Some people certainly don't handle technology well, and some understand it almost immediately. For the former group, they're easily overwhelmed and don't comprehend how to navigate it, particularly when something changes whether it's an update or needing to use new features to complete a task.

Kind of like my parents (and many others). Given enough time fiddling around (hours of it), they eventually figure out how to work things. But they still don't understand the meaning behind the buttons and features of an app, they just learn the combination of buttons to get to the desired end result.

If any of that changes in any minor way, be it because the software updates or no longer functions like it's supposed to, then they're quickly overwhelmed again.

It is another source of stress for many. And like you say, they get fixated on the what isn't working and the emotions around that rather than seeing the computer/phone as a tool that can offer alternative solutions to one problem. If your word processing software isn't working, you can look for updates, do a system reset (an astoundingly underutilized solution), or seek out a free online processor as a temporary workaround, or any variety of alternatives on the app store.

I think some people just don't see tech that way, which is working against them. When something stops working like it normally does, they'll see it as an obstacle or dysfunctional altogether.
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Seems relevant with all the road discussions.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-our-language

I'd like to think the roads in question were more open than usual, not closed.
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Old 09-05-2022, 06:39 PM   #2199
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I don't think that it is thinking skills as much as it is stress level.

People get needlessly stressed by what are mostly unimportant inconveniences. Folks start to focus too much on why they're angry instead of what the solution is.
But if you never have to learn how to do something, nor hone your skill at doing it, when the tech isn’t there for you then you are lost and might as well be a small child.
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But if you never have to learn how to do something, nor hone your skill at doing it, when the tech isn’t there for you then you are lost and might as well be a small child.
Which takes the conversation full circle to Cecil!
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