Official WWE/ECW/WCW/TNA talk, or whatever v2

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

They have a great roster but I think Tony Kahn is over his head on managing and booking this show

Just looking at things, it seems like there's lots of chaos back stage with AEW, now we're hearing that Kingston was suspended for a backstage altercation with Sammy Guevera.

you have Page going into business for himself, and Punk losing his stuff over it.

I think that the problem again is that they have no professional management with AEW, and they have a owner "Head booker" that's unwilling to put the hammer down, and a bunch of current workers trying to run the ship.

Like I said a while back, I find the story booking in AEW to be bad, now it didn't help that their money making main event guys were getting hurt, and nobody was really stepping into those slots.

Squashing Punk by Moxley is just kind of silly, and maybe its because Moxley isn't great. But whatever. Maybe they're trying to punish Punk for going against one of the AEW Originals that probably has more favor with the "EVPs". But Punk is a legitimate money maker, and a legitimate main event guy, I'm not sure that Moxley really is.

I do think that AEW has to par down their roster, its too large and a few firings might re-establish that its an actual workplace. And also there's a lot of people that are just doing nothing.

I think that Tony has to bring in something else in the executive suite. to provide leadership and doesn't have these weird personal relationship with the workers that can bring a hammer down.

I wonder how happy Punk is today. The one thing about Punk, he's a times whiny, and has a major chip on his shoulder, but he is in the end that legitimate guy that you're going to spend money to go see on a consistent basis.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I think it was more to remind WWE that contracts are to be respected. I don't think Khan or Stephanie would have enough interest in anyone enough to try and get sued. Contracts are coming due for multiple people in the short to near-term future so I doubt there's any rush.

Talent knows Triple H is in and Vince is out. That's reason enough to come back to WWE.

I really think at this point there's maybe one or two guys that WWE would love to get their greasy hands on.

WWE is too busy filling their roster with people that Vince hated and HHH loved. So trying to right wrongs.

I keep expecting the Fiend to show up, and I think it will eventually happen.

But I can't see WWE looking at AEW's midcard and risking tampering lawsuits.

[CaptainCrunch]

Add on and its the conspiracy theory thing. But with the backstage stuff between Page and Punk. I wonder if they wanted the belt off of Punk in a hurry in case he just decided to go home. And they put in the clutching his injured foot angle so Punk can go home and cool off for a while.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

But I can't see WWE looking at AEW's midcard and risking tampering lawsuits.

Agreed. Triple H would love Adam Cole back though, although Cole is now signed to 2025 I believe so that would be an expensive breach of contract and/or lawsuit.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Agreed. Triple H would love Adam Cole back though, although Cole is now signed to 2025 I believe so that would be an expensive breach of contract and/or lawsuit.

Yeah, I don't think that Cole would warrant tampering. Though I've always been a fan of Cole, he seems flat in AEW.

I think the only guy worth any kind of "Tampering would be MJF.

Its rumored that Jericho is interested in returning to WWE to close out his career.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Just looking at things, it seems like there's lots of chaos back stage with AEW, now we're hearing that Kingston was suspended for a backstage altercation with Sammy Guevera.

Sounds like Sammy called Kingston fat and Kingston laid his ass out. Sammy Guevara, the wrestler, is great. Sammy Guevara, the person, sure seems like a major piece of ####.

Like I said a while back, I find the story booking in AEW to be bad, now it didn't help that their money making main event guys were getting hurt, and nobody was really stepping into those slots.

I think this is part of it, but some of the builds to the PPV matches just seem totally undercooked. Why am I supposed to care about The Acclaimed (who I think are great) vs. Swerve in our Glory, when The Acclaimed have been involved in a feud with The Gunn Club for the past few months? I love Ricky Starks and think he's doing his best to sell this feud with Powerhouse Hobbs, but it's been given very little TV time.

Squashing Punk by Moxley is just kind of silly, and maybe its because Moxley isn't great. But whatever. Maybe they're trying to punish Punk for going against one of the AEW Originals that probably has more favor with the "EVPs". But Punk is a legitimate money maker, and a legitimate main event guy, I'm not sure that Moxley really is.

Ehhh...that's more you viewing it as a WWE fan, IMO. Mox is still crazy over with the AEW fanbase. From the sounds of it, they were going to do this match at the PPV, with the same result, because Punk still isn't totally cleared, but Mox lobbied to do it on TV instead. Ultimately, that's the better decision, because doing it at the PPV, Punk's hometown of Chicago would have been an absolute disaster. I just don't get why they would even bother with the match at all if Punk wasn't cleared.

I do think that AEW has to par down their roster, its too large and a few firings might re-establish that its an actual workplace. And also there's a lot of people that are just doing nothing.

Or lend out guys to NWA, Impact, NJPW, etc. They have these working agreements with other companies. Why aren't they using them? Send Andrade and Co. to Japan to start up a fun program with Naito that then trickles back to the U.S. and Mexico.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yeah, I don't think that Cole would warrant tampering. Though I've always been a fan of Cole, he seems flat in AEW.

I think the only guy worth any kind of "Tampering would be MJF.

Its rumored that Jericho is interested in returning to WWE to close out his career.

Jericho all but confirmed it was him they tried to tamper with and that he reported it to TK. Doesn't sound like he's all that interested in going back to WWE anytime soon.

[Ozy_Flame]

Why would he? He's got a good place in AEW, less touring, and basically full creative control.

He might do one more match in WWE, but it's more likely he'll show up for the Hall of Fame induction which can't be too far off now.

As for AEW's bloated roster, the whole point of ROH was to create a separate brand that can go on its own. They just don't have a TV deal yet. Guys like Joe/Claudio/Lethal are all likely to be on that brand. I do like when they lend talent out to NJPW though, that's a great place to cut teeth with character development and mat experience. NJPW Strong was a highly underrated show IMO.

[rubecube]

If this is true, it makes last night even dumber.

https://www.cagesideseats.com/aew/20...t-injury-angle

According to Wrestling Observer Radio’s Dave Meltzer, there’s no need for you to wonder if someone like Hangman Page or Darby Allin will get a title match with Moxley at All Out. That’s because a championship rematch between Punk and Moxley is planned for the main event of the show:

[Blaster86]

There's some confusion here. WWE can talk to anyone under an AEW contract all they want (and vice versa). They are independent contractors. While they cannot ask them to break their contract, they can call them every day and say "We are interested in signing you when your contract is up. When is your contract up?"

There is nothing illegal about this. There are rules in most major sport leagues and players unions that prevent this, which is why we consider tampering a thing. Khan's threat to the other Khan is toothless, unless someone breaks their contract with AEW at the request of WWE.

AEW is hitting their first real rough patch. Stars are upset with not being used. The wrestlers with control and influence are doing or saying things driven by ego instead of what's best for the business. The on screen product is losing some of that hard hitting luster, becoming overly reliant on gimmick matches and weak finishes.

The first one and the last one are pretty easy to fix. The middle one is always more problematic for me, but I didn't live during the territory days when the boys having a lot of control was more common. My life time for the boys having a lot of say was the death of WCW, TNA and WWEs reign of hell. None of those were enjoyable products.

[rubecube]

I'm still going to watch All Out, because AEW rarely misses with their PPVs. I'm just not all that excited for it.

[PostandIn]

Without a doubt the greatest move in wrestling history.

[https://twitter.com/i/status/1564062265615204354

[d_phaneuf]

More hyped for osprey and omega tonight than all out

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

Without a doubt the greatest move in wrestling history.

[https://twitter.com/i/status/1564062265615204354

I am unsurprised that the guy who uses his dick in wrestling has a bunch of sexual assault allegations against him.

Joey Ryan can go away whenever.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

More hyped for osprey and omega tonight than all out

Not to say I'm not in on all out

Just excited for this, hope they give the 6 man at least 20+

TK also saying the AEW roster will be the best it's ever been by all out, so assuming undisputed elite are cleared or will at least appear, maybe MJF, but at this point saving him for grand slam in a few weeks makes sense

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

Without a doubt the greatest move in wrestling history.

[https://twitter.com/i/status/1564062265615204354

Joey Ryan is a pig and a complete dirtbag.

And a joke of a wrestler.

[Inferno]

It sounds like AEW isn't renewing Bobby Fish's contract.

There's also unconfirmed reports Aleister/Malakai Black asked for his release and that it will be granted.

[Scorch]

Originally Posted by Inferno

It sounds like AEW isn't renewing Bobby Fish's contract.

Isn’t it the other way around where Fish isn’t interested in renewing?

At the moment, they could have UE vs the Elite trios feud but needed to wait out the injuries of Cole and KOR

[Ozy_Flame]

Where are you seeing that reported about Black? I know he posted something cryptic on his Tumblr account (who uses Tumblr), but it might be related to his ongoing back injury.

Hate to say it, but this might be a career-ending injury for him. And Black doesn't like to perform at less than 100%, so I can see him being frustrated with his own situation.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Scorch

Isn’t it the other way around where Fish isn’t interested in renewing?

I thought so too but the headline I saw said it was AEW who wasn't renewing.