Brad Treliving needs to go

[Gemnoble]

Unloading Monahan and adding Kadri for nothing? Tre must use the dark arts.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Yep, definitely high risk/high reward. At the end of the day, I'm okay with that. It's sports, and the whole point is playing to win. I won't blame him for taking his shot and going for the win when there's a chance.

I have trouble with this, being a Natural Born Pessimist.

However, you really only have 3 options.

1. Perpetual Mediocrity (The Flames have written the book on this one)

2. Burn it to the ground, suck for a decade and try again.

3. Bet it all on Red.

Treliving is rolling all the dice. And, as someone who had firmly been in the 'Fire Treliving' Camp, I have to give him credit for it.

Because the reason I wanted him fired was because he had always seemed unwilling to roll the dice, how can I fault him for doing exactly what I criticized him for not doing?

He got there in a roundabout way, no question.

But now we can be sure of a few things, they're going to raise Holy Hell in this league for the next 2 to 3 years and hopefully it pays off because after that....the Bill comes due and we wind up back at option 2.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by Locke

I have trouble with this, being a Natural Born Pessimist.

However, you really only have 3 options.

1. Perpetual Mediocrity (The Flames have written the book on this one)

2. Burn it to the ground, suck for a decade and try again.

3. Bet it all on Red.

Treliving is rolling all the dice. And, as someone who had firmly been in the 'Fire Treliving' Camp, I have to give him credit for it.

Because the reason I wanted him fired was because he had always seemed unwilling to roll the dice, how can I fault him for doing exactly what I criticized him for not doing?

He got there in a roundabout way, no question.

But now we can be sure of a few things, they're going to raise Holy Hell in this league for the next 2 to 3 years and hopefully it pays off because after that....the Bill comes due and we wind up back at option 2.

Well said, thank you (out due to the day we have had) LOL

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Some people might try arguing we're ahead with Weegar, but I'd argue pre-implosion, everyone would have taken the continuity that is Johnny/Tkachuk over Hub/Weeg/Kadri 99 times out of 100.

It's fine to make an assertion, but why do you think this? I suspect you're projecting your own opinion onto 98 others.

[Hack&Lube]

Brad Treliving says "CHILL"

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Willing to admit that you're WRONG?

The team got older and contracts he just gave out like candy are going to look atrocious in a few seasons.

That's fine though - I willl give him props for trying to fix the mess he created himself. Let's pump the breaks until there are some games played though...

He effectively made his team older this off-season without much of an improvement from last season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The team got older and contracts he just gave out like candy are going to look atrocious in a few seasons.

That's fine though - I willl give him props for trying to fix the mess he created himself. Let's pump the breaks until there are some games played though...

He effectively made his team older this off-season without much of an improvement from last season.

lol, Blaming Brad for geography again

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The team got older and contracts he just gave out like candy are going to look atrocious in a few seasons.

That's fine though - I willl give him props for trying to fix the mess he created himself. Let's pump the breaks until there are some games played though...

He effectively made his team older this off-season without much of an improvement from last season.

I think you will be proven wrong.

Huberdeau and Weegar for the same price as gaudreau essentially and kadri for less than tkachuk.

Good work in my mind.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The team got older and contracts he just gave out like candy are going to look atrocious in a few seasons.

That's fine though - I willl give him props for trying to fix the mess he created himself. Let's pump the breaks until there are some games played though...

He effectively made his team older this off-season without much of an improvement from last season.

I am with you that in a few years, we may question these contracts.

Huberdeau isn’t materially older than Gaudreau, if at all
Weegar is 2 years younger than Gudbranson
Only Kadri is older than Tkachuk, really

Everybody who was on the team last year is a year older, I guess.

And I don’t care. I want to watch winning hockey now

And if Pelletier sticks, we have some fresh blood

But for now, as someone else said, he was handed a turd sandwich (whether or not he contributed, maybe the hens came to roost. Either way, the 13 and 19 train had sailed), and managed to shine it up pretty darn good

No dead cap

Only one bad contract, which drops off next year and is more than offset by Huberdeau’s remaining 5.9 and Lindy’s sweetheart deal

I am excited for this year and the next few

I don’t care about 5 years from now

[Calgary4LIfe]

I feel mostly the same. I don't care what happens 4 years. I am 100% fine with going through a rebuild when the time comes, and dealing with ugly deals.


What I haven't been fine with is the lack of playoff success. I don't think it would be fair to call Treliving a failure for not winning the cup - many great teams don't win cups simply because it is an incredibly difficult thing to do. No shame in not winning the cup, and I won't hold it against him.


However, repeating patterns of "Did not qualify" followed by "Bounced in the first round" and a once in an 8 year cycle of making it to the 2nd round to win only a single game - that's not success.


Treliving should be lauded for salvaging this season. He has kept the Flames as contenders under the most trying of circumstances. That's outstanding management on his part, truly. If the Flames have a successful year (which I bet they will), the Jim Gregory (GM of the year) should be his.


I just think at some point, to be thought of as a successful GM, you need to build a team that has actual playoff success. If the Flames win a cup, I will accept 8 years of wandering in the desert after as a penance. That's fine. I enjoy watching kids develop and find a lot of entertainment value in that. I don't care about the bad contracts.


I am lucky enough to remember (though not appreciate it enough at the time) when the Flames won the cup in '89. In hindsight, I will gladly welcome "Young Guns 2" if it meant a cup.


I am even ok with one cup final, and having to rebuild. Flames contended, and I still have vivid (and appreciative) memories of that cup run. It was awesome. Wandering the desert makes it worth it even for that.


Heck, just a couple of 'runs' (conference finals) will make me happy (as long as no more losses to the Oilers please!). That's exciting.


Flames have had memorable and exciting regular seasons, and that Dallas series was edge-of-the-seat stuff that I honestly think I will cherish longer than I thought I would. I need more of those memories. I need more playoff series wins, not regular season accolades.


Don't get me wrong - Treliving deserves to be lauded for his moves. Once again, he has pulled off magic this off-season. I was expecting a rebuild and I was ok with that. This is obviously better. But in terms of Treliving being thought of as a successful GM, he needs to have success in the playoffs. I am happy to exchange assets and years of poor contracts to get it. It is hard to build a dynasty in the cap era now anyway - it was hard out of the cap era as it was.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The team got older and contracts he just gave out like candy are going to look atrocious in a few seasons.

That's fine though - I willl give him props for trying to fix the mess he created himself. Let's pump the breaks until there are some games played though...

He effectively made his team older this off-season without much of an improvement from last season.

This guy….

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The team got older and contracts he just gave out like candy are going to look atrocious in a few seasons.

That's fine though - I willl give him props for trying to fix the mess he created himself. Let's pump the breaks until there are some games played though...

He effectively made his team older this off-season without much of an improvement from last season.

You used to beg for the flames to make trades and change the look of the team and they have done that under difficult circumstances. This team improved their center ice depth and blueline which are the most important areas on the ice while still boasting elite goaltending.

This team wants to win now and over the next 3 or so years and they are bettter positioned to do that now than they were last year in my opinion.

[DeZoE]

An Oilers fan who loves to come here and watch the lames fans implode. Your two best players left. One of which left via free agency. I loved it! Then Tkachuk was traded. And it was grand theft for what Treliving got back. Ok, I can deal with that. But you sign Kadri. Wtf? How the hell did this team actually get better this off season? I honestly believe that Gaudreau was a weak link when the playoffs came around. He just kind of, well, hid. He might put up some points but he didn't have the necessary grit. You have that now. But honestly, I'm a hockey fan above all else. I just want to see good hockey and I'm glad that this team didn't wither and die when Gaudreau left. Your GM is a wizard. Congrats!

[Vinny01]

It is quite crazy to see this team get a complete retooling from the initial core of the rebuild.

The team picked 3 times in the top 10 during their post Iginla/Kipper rebuild. Monahan, Bennett, and Tkachuk are all gone. One was traded for picks and prospects out of the first round, another cost the team a 1st to dump and the last acquired 2 players of the current core
Treliving inherited a great top pair on defense when he arrived in Giordano and Brodie while also using 6 draft picks in the top 2 rounds to acquire Hamilton and Hamonic to form on paper a great top 4. 3 of those 4 were lost for nothing while the other was moved in a franchise altering deal that netted the team 2 core players.

From 14-18 the core of this team was Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Bennett, Backlund, Gio, Brodie, Hamilton, Hamonic

Now in the 22-23 season the core is Huberdeau, Lindholm, Kadri, Mangiapane, Coleman, Hanifin, Anderson, Weegar, Markstrom

A complete overhaul a retooling through trades and free agency that has many calling this team a legit cup contender. I am really impressed and can’t wait to see the team on the ice

[Coach]

Brad Treliving does need to go...

For a well deserved break!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Treliving was fully responsible for all the criticism directed his way. He looked to have made the classic Calgary Flame mistake of sitting on player for too long, then having another force the hand of the hockey team. For fans that have been around this team for more than couple handful of years, this was deja vu all over again. But Treliving has surprising and quickly retooled a team that was looking to have taken on so much water so fast that it was certain to sink. The Tkachuk trade is looking like a homerun if/when Weegar signs. The move of Monahan was not great, but when you add in the addition of Kadri it becomes another strong move. He essentially added a better second line center for a broken second line center and conditional first, which should hopefully be a later first. Losing 1st round picks is hard, but with the makeup of the team and the conditions, it may not be a hard pill to swallow. The important thing now is not to burn off any more draft capital if at all possible. We need the influx of youth to support these players as they age out.

I'm not saying Treliving is a wizard, because we still have a very obvious glaring hole in the lineup, but he's definitely headlining in the big room for an off the strip casino in Vegas. Some very impressive moves that should keep the team competitive for the next three to five years. Use that depth on defense to get another top six winger to fill out the lineup and Treliving will have ascended to the heights of being a wizard.

[dammage79]

Well, trees work has softened up ol Lanny.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well...we've wanted the Flames in terms of strategy to pick a lane.

Treliving has picked his lane and smashed the gas.

I wont deny that he has done an amazing job, especially in terms of the poor hand he was dealt, but make no mistake, this is a 'High-Risk/High-Reward' strategy.

You almost never get reward minus risk.

Bravo Treliving/Flames.

Wearing their big boy pants.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The team got older and contracts he just gave out like candy are going to look atrocious in a few seasons.

That's fine though - I willl give him props for trying to fix the mess he created himself. Let's pump the breaks until there are some games played though...

He effectively made his team older this off-season without much of an improvement from last season.

Ridiculous take, what mess did he create exactly? Players wanting to leave based on family or tax reasons is not his mess. He has upgraded the top 6 by adding Kadri which enables Backlund to be the 3c. Replaced Johnny with John (bigger, just as good of a playmaker and will actually drive to the net, also the same age). Upgraded the D big time with Weeger which may allow another move to benefit the forward group. You moved Monaghan who is a declining player to add a legit top 6 C who is faster and grittier than Sean. This team is now better down the middle and at D which are major positions to have strength in. The cap will likely be near 100 million in 5 or so years and these deals will not seem like such an issue, and forecasting the team situation 5 years from now is a fools errand.

[Enoch Root]

long running threads like this are a study in cognitive dissonance