08-16-2022, 12:13 PM
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#5521
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
Sure, they might. But the more simple explanation is that all of these people paid to do this job are actually doing this job in some respect and are reporting what people close to this situation are telling them. Which is why we're hearing the exact same information repeated over and over again.
Go for simplicity. Most things are simple.
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I don't deny that your view is plausible - likely probable. However, I am not convinced that the simplest explanation is these people are reporting from separate independent sources. We have two of the most leak-proof organizations in the NHL in NYI and the Flames involved and nothing from people who regularly break NHL news. Instead, we have people that many here have suggested are not news breakers making statements. You may be correct. In my view, it is simpler to think that these people are checking their twitter feeds and reporting from that - as a lot of reporting occurs today even outside of sports.
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08-16-2022, 12:13 PM
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#5522
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by djsFlames
And that's not a guarantee until a team agrees to help them in a way that they see fit.
Sounds like a pretty unresolved issue. Not something thats signed and sealed.
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Some team should help them clear space by offer sheeting Dobson.
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08-16-2022, 12:15 PM
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#5523
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
It's not a conspiracy it's a rumor...these guys are often wrong consider the source.
Gaudreau to NJ was done too
CBJ offered him 12M ect.
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neither of those points were even close to as widely reported, and both were only ever posted as rumor. These are being posted by people as a fact.
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
And that's not a guarantee until a team agrees to help them in a way that they see fit.
Sounds like a pretty unresolved issue. Not something thats signed and sealed.
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Why? Why couldnt the Isles and Kadri have an agreed upon contract that is "signed" and sealed, but not yet submitted due to the isles needing to do more cap wizardry, and Lou believing, for example, that he would be in a slightly less positive position to make deals if that was actually actively counting against his cap? Doesn't mean it's not sitting on his desk waiting to be submitted.
This is paperwork pedantry.
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08-16-2022, 12:16 PM
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#5524
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Barzal's QO scares me though if he doesn't rebound. Even if the Flames did qualify him at the more than $8 million he needs to be qualified at, he could just sign the QO then walk.
Maybe we could work out a long term extension at less than the QO number, but I would certainly want assurances first if Coronato was involved in the deal.
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Could Brad do get another sign and trade? That is a good point I would hate to give up Coronato for what would be a 1-2 year stop gap but if we could get the 8 years it would be nice. Barzal isa western Canadian kid and the Flames have the best playmaking LW in the league who is locked up for 9 years so that could be a selling point. I think it is fantasy talk at the end of the day but it seems a lot of flames fans have been pining for Barzal for some reason which makes me wonder if he is available for the right price?
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08-16-2022, 12:20 PM
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#5525
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan
My only issue with Kadri is he doesn't really seem to want to be in Calgary. He kaiboshed a trade already (reportedly to stay in TO), and it was reported that earlier this summer he turned down a Flames offer again. After having two players bounce this summer who didn't want to be here I would be VERY leery of Kadri.
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Okay, but if he signs a contract to be here that all goes out the window. This isn’t a trade scenario. Are you scared he would want out after a season? I’m confused
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08-16-2022, 12:28 PM
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#5526
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
neither of those points were even close to as widely reported, and both were only ever posted as rumor. These are being posted by people as a fact.
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There wasn't time for Gaudreau rumours to get that widely circulated. This situation has been brewing for weeks, that one was resolved within a day.
Not comparable.
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08-16-2022, 12:28 PM
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#5527
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Random
There wasn't time for Gaudreau rumours to get that widely circulated. This situation has been brewing for weeks, that one was resolved within a day.
Not comparable.
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Yes, I agree, not comparable situations. That was the point of my post. Thank you for your agreement.
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08-16-2022, 12:30 PM
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#5528
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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What about Pageau? RHS Center. Well known for 2 way play. Slipped from an NTC to a M-NTC on July 1. 5 mill a year for 4 more years.
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08-16-2022, 12:32 PM
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#5529
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
What about Pageau? RHS Center. Well known for 2 way play. Slipped from an NTC to a M-NTC on July 1. 5 mill a year for 4 more years.
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No thanks. If not Barzal I would like Beauvillier
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08-16-2022, 12:39 PM
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#5530
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
Don't touch Coronato.
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I'm thinking he's now got to be what Valimaki was a couple years ago, untouchable, save for one heck of a return.
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08-16-2022, 12:41 PM
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#5531
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzard
I'm thinking he's now got to be what Valimaki was a couple years ago, untouchable, save for one heck of a return.
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yeah but in hindsight we shouldve driven Valimaki to the airport for Stone
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08-16-2022, 12:46 PM
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#5532
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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It would feel like a bit of an overpayment considering it would have been for only a few months of Stone but....yeah.
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08-16-2022, 12:47 PM
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#5533
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jaydee
yeah but in hindsight we shouldve driven Valimaki to the airport for Stone
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For the millionth time, we were never getting Stone.
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08-16-2022, 12:50 PM
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#5534
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan
My only issue with Kadri is he doesn't really seem to want to be in Calgary. He kaiboshed a trade already (reportedly to stay in TO), and it was reported that earlier this summer he turned down a Flames offer again. After having two players bounce this summer who didn't want to be here I would be VERY leery of Kadri.
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This makes no sense, and I can't understand why it keeps coming up.
If Kadri signs with the Flames, he will have done so voluntarily - are you worried that he will have coerced himself into it, and will be unhappy with his own decision?
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08-16-2022, 12:52 PM
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#5535
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Nachodamus.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
This makes no sense, and I can't understand why it keeps coming up.
If Kadri signs with the Flames, he will have done so voluntarily - are you worried that he will have coerced himself into it, and will be unhappy with his own decision?
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Yes actually. He seems to have priced himself out of most teams, and would be "settling" for what he could get. That's never a recipe for success. I could (and probably am) be wrong, but if he does sign here, I hope it's cause he actually wants to be a Flame and not because he had to sign or miss out.
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08-16-2022, 01:12 PM
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#5537
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Wow that's a lot. Wonder who the prospect would be?
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08-16-2022, 01:15 PM
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#5538
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Yes, I agree, not comparable situations. That was the point of my post. Thank you for your agreement.
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I thought the point of your post was that we should take these rumours about the Islanders and Kadri seriously because they've been repeated a lot. I wasn't agreeing with that.
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08-16-2022, 01:17 PM
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#5539
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Wow that's a lot. Wonder who the prospect would be?
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My bet is Pinto.
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08-16-2022, 01:19 PM
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#5540
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Ottawa adding Debrincat, Giroux, Chychrun, while dumping Murray would be a hell of a summer. Talbot is pretty average so not the best pickup but not a long term move. Really tough division to make the playoffs but if their young guys take a big step they could be one of the most improved teams this year
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