[Signing] Flames sign Huberdeau to long term extension (8 yrs, $10.5 mil AAV)

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Poison

Tell u what since we are talking about a hockey signing, and a hockey organization, why dont u give me a recent example of a hockey organization with all types of recent success doing it on the cheap.

You are kidding right?

Did you blink and wipe the hard drive?

[Poison]

Originally Posted by dino7c

teams full of good not great players never win anything

Quoted for truth.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

whelp, guess i'm buying a jersey...

I just got a new authentic one this year with no name, was just waiting for Tkachuk to re-up before committing to his #. I think I know who I'm getting now..

[Poison]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

You are kidding right?

Did you blink and wipe the hard drive?

Who? Pray tell please. Who?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm saying that in terms of what puts the team in the best position to win the most games in the future, I would rather have Bjorkstrand signed to his deal, less the picks required to acquire him and plus whatever the return would be for Huberdeau either now or at the trade deadline, plus 5.1 million in cap space until 2027-2028 to allocate to other areas of the lineup (it would cover most of Weegar, for example) instead of Huberdeau signed to this deal. Basically, that seems like a much more effective allocation of cap space to me.

So you would rather have a bunch of Tyler Toffoli


Every team needs a super star to run the offense

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by jg13

Matthew Tkachuk (signed 8x9.5) for Huberdeau (signed 8x10.5), Weegar, 1st round pick + top 10 prospect in our organization.

That looks like an absolute fleecing and I expect Weegar to be done soon too.

Zito just seppuku'd himself voluntarily for no reason.

Bless this GM that clearly watched no Tkachuk outside of two FLA-CGY games and sports center highlights.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

So you would rather have a bunch of Tyler Toffoli


Every team needs a super star to run the offense

He wants the team to compete for a Cup for more than one season in a row rather than be the Canadian San Jose Sharks (and not the Sharks from 2010-2019).

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

He wants the team to compete for a Cup for more than one season in a row rather than be the Canadian San Jose Sharks (and not the Sharks from 2010-2018).

Its not happening ever without a top star and if you want to keep a top star you have to pay (and even then they might leave)

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

He wants the team to compete for a Cup for more than one season in a row rather than be the Canadian San Jose Sharks (and not the Sharks from 2010-2018).

How do you compete with a bunch of middling players?

Huberdeau is the best the Flames can get

You pay top players and complement them

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Zito just seppuku'd himself voluntarily for no reason.

Bless this GM that clearly watched no Tkachuk outside of two FLA-CGY games and sports center highlights.

Flames also get 1 year at 5.9M

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Every team needs a super star to run the offense

We're probably going to disagree, but I don't see Huberdeau as a true superstar, regardless of point totals. I don't think having him, on the wrong side of 30, as your team's best player is a recipe for success.

I also don't really agree with "teams with good but not great players don't win anything". The Blues won the cup with a bunch of good players but no superstars a couple of years ago. The Stars made the finals that way (you can argue Heiskanen but he was basically a rookie then). Vegas has been that team pretty much every year since they entered the league, and other than last year when they were decimated by injuries have always been a threat. I'll leave out Montreal on the basis that that was probably a fluke, but others have argued that their run was basically them being built for the postseason in the same way the Blues were. I'd also argue that the Kings at this point don't really have any superstars, as their biggest names are past their prime, but I really like the way that team is built.

Like I say, I'd prefer to allocate that some of that space to Mangiapane for longer term (even if it brings his AAV into the 7s) and spend some of it on Weegar. At the end of the day, you have only so much cap to throw around. It's really puzzling to me that scoring wingers have so little market value in trades and yet are still commanding this type of money when you want to sign them. I would simply not want to be in the Jonathan Huberdeau business if this is what it costs.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

We're probably going to disagree, but I don't see Huberdeau as a true superstar, regardless of point totals. I don't think having him, on the wrong side of 30, as your team's best player is a recipe for success.

I also don't really agree with "teams with good but not great players don't win anything". The Blues won the cup with a bunch of good players but no superstars a couple of years ago. The Stars made the finals that way (you can argue Heiskanen but he was basically a rookie then). Vegas has been that team pretty much every year since they entered the league, and other than last year when they were decimated by injuries have always been a threat. I'll leave out Montreal on the basis that that was probably a fluke, but others have argued that their run was basically them being built for the postseason in the same way the Blues were. I'd also argue that the Kings at this point don't really have any superstars, as their biggest names are past their prime, but I really like the way that team is built.

Like I say, I'd prefer to allocate that some of that space to Mangiapane for longer term (even if it brings his AAV into the 7s) and spend some of it on Weegar. At the end of the day, you have only so much cap to throw around. It's really puzzling to me that scoring wingers have so little market value in trades and yet are still commanding this type of money when you want to sign them. I would simply not want to be in the Jonathan Huberdeau business if this is what it costs.

We’ll have to see but Huberdeau is the best the Flames can get today and they are not going to get Bedard. He was top 5 in scoring so he is as close to a superstar for today. He is better suited to lead the offense than a bunch of Mangipane and Toffoli

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Maybe, but losing a 24 year old #### disturber that can play for a guybthat can play but is heading into his twilight doesn't seem like much of a win too me. Like I said, first few years will be fine but if they don't win in these first few years its going to be bad. I'm a die hard fan and I love this team, I just don't much care for this decision.

Repeat after me....

Tkachuk was NEVER EVER going to sign again with the Flames. He orcastrated his contracts with the Flames to get him to UFA years earlier than normal.

[dino7c]

ROR was certainly a superstar the year they won...that was also a bit of an anomaly when you look at recent champions. I mean they were in last place halfway through the season and have fallen back to okay.

[Plett Me Tell You]

Tre has turned a post season turd into lemonade. Not sure it’s sweet enough but damn it’s refreshing.

[dino7c]

Huberdeau just set an NHL record for assists by a LW
On every team Canada World Cup Mock Roster (usually on the 1st line)

outscored everyone not named McDavid (tied Gaudreau who turned down this deal)

"not a superstar"

I guess the league has one superstar

[midniteowl]

C'mon guys, this is a Huberdeau signing threat, on a hockey forum. Please leave the baseball craps out of this, thank you.

[Jetfire]

An incredible piece of good news to brighten up a crappy day. Absolutely thrilled to watch him play here for the next decade. Weegar next, o wise wizardly Tre.

[dammage79]

One thing for sure now. Lindholm is going to be the primary puck carrier. All is right again in the world.

When the Flames traded for Elias, it was known to those who looked, Elias was actually a very under the radar zone entry specialist . In CGY, they never needed him to be because everything ran through Gaudreau.

Now we get Lindholm who's just hitting his prime getting to do something he's amazing at and adding yet another weapon to his on ice repertoire.

Huberdeau might not be great in transition, but we got Lindholm. Who's going to get Hubey the puck in the O zone. Who in turn will feed Lindy biscuits forever.

Honestly, Lindy could be a 60g man. I'm not kidding.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames also get 1 year at 5.9M

Honestly thinking since we extended Huberdeau that we need to take advantage of this season with these short term cap figures and Sutter.

Need to make that move to bolster the forward group and push the chips in here.

Lucic is very deal-able now.

Bring in a 2C or top six RW and we could be in a really good spot. The defence is top 5 in the league with the Weegar addition and Markstrom is Markstrom if we're not playing Edmonton.