Huberdeau and Weegar Signing Discussion Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Anytime you sign a player in his late 20's to an 8 year contract it will eventually stink. That's the price of contending.

No argument from me. At best you try and structure it to be moveable or easily bought out, or, in a perfect world, something a guy might retire from because there’s few actual dollars in the last year (looking at you, Milan).

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would imagine we don't hear a peep until it is closer to training camp on either contract. I would imagine that both players would actually like to take a look a good look at the city, discuss it with their families, etc., talk to the coach about where they will play, get to know their teammates a bit better.


It is a huge decision for them. I wouldn't want to make it right off the bat either.

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

For those panicking about immediate extensions:

Imagine your employer just spur of the moment traded you to another employer, in a different city, and a different country.

Would you immediately sign on the dotted line to stay there for the next 5-8 years? Or would you take a little bit of time, get to know the new workplace, your new coworkers, see the new city - among other things?

Let’s try to remember these arent just names and numbers. While highly paid yes, these are real humans with real lives outside of hockey to think about.

And that is basically what Weeger listed as important to him when signing:
1) winning
2) teammates
3) staff
4) city

And he said he hasn’t talked to Darryl. Plus he doesn’t know the team or the city.

If he signs before the season starts, I’ll be floored. IMO it’ll be the all star break at the earliest for either guy.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

If he signs before the season starts, I’ll be floored. IMO it’ll be the all star break at the earliest for either guy.

Go home Uncle, you're drunk.

[googol]

If I were either of them. I would sign and secure the bag.

Who knows if a down year or injury can hamper their next contract.



If they really don't like it in Calgary. They just need to ask for a trade and all will be forgiven depending on what the return is.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No argument from me. At best you try and structure it to be moveable or easily bought out, or, in a perfect world, something a guy might retire from because there’s few actual dollars in the last year (looking at you, Milan).

Often it won't matter as by that time the team is likely rebuilding anyway.

[Steve Macfarlane]

If the Flames show they're still a playoff team with a chance to contend and the offer is good enough, we could see an extension from a motivated Huberdeau rather than the team having to consider moving him.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...tthew-tkachuk/

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Steve Macfarlane

If the Flames show they're still a playoff team with a chance to contend and the offer is good enough, we could see an extension from a motivated Huberdeau rather than the team having to consider moving him.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...tthew-tkachuk/

I thought it was funny how they misunderstood your question asking them to describe each other and instead gave their review of Cole Schwindt.

[Roof-Daddy]

The one bad thing about this trade (obviously) is that we're sitting here playing the uncertainty game again. Spent all last year with two key pending free agents (only one UFA though) and now here we are again.

Hopefully they can get them signed quickly so we can just take a breath and sort of relax a bit.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

And that is basically what Weeger listed as important to him when signing:
1) winning
2) teammates
3) staff
4) city

And he said he hasn’t talked to Darryl. Plus he doesn’t know the team or the city.

If he signs before the season starts, I’ll be floored. IMO it’ll be the all star break at the earliest for either guy.

Too bad they won’t get that much time to piss or get off the pot.
Jonny G made Brad look dumb, don’t expect the same patience shown with these two assets.

[atb]

Originally Posted by Steve Macfarlane

If the Flames show they're still a playoff team with a chance to contend and the offer is good enough, we could see an extension from a motivated Huberdeau rather than the team having to consider moving him.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...tthew-tkachuk/

I think without a doubt even if the Flames are leading the division at the deadline and Huberdeau is unsigned, they have to move him for the best return possible. I feel like the fan base would be much more understanding of that type of move vs. the potential of Huberdeau walking as a UFA.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

For those panicking about immediate extensions:

Imagine your employer just spur of the moment traded you to another employer, in a different city, and a different country.

Would you immediately sign on the dotted line to stay there for the next 5-8 years? Or would you take a little bit of time, get to know the new workplace, your new coworkers, see the new city - among other things?

Let’s try to remember these arent just names and numbers. While highly paid yes, these are real humans with real lives outside of hockey to think about.

If my pay rate was highly variable and tied to my recent amazing performance, I'd absolutely be keen to lock in. The alternative is finding myself in any of 22 other cities, who may/may not be keen on retaining my services beyond this year.

He could try to control the situation like Tkachuk, but given his AAV it's possible a team will make the best offer regardless of mutual interest for an extension.

[442scotty]

I think they both sign fairly soon

[djsFlames]

If they're looking to convince him, might want to pick up a RW.

Even half filling the hole left by Tkachuk (the other could come from Weegar on the back end) would help out this team a lot.

Not sure I like Toffoli and Coleman as the 1-2 on the right side.

That or an upgrade on Backlund so that you could a structure built around three or so really good pairings on each line with a guy riding shotgun.

[bluejays]

I strongly believe Huberdeau is a stronger player than Tkachuk today, in the sense he’s a more naturally gifted scorer. And by the same token he’s on par with Johnny, if not slightly better. Having said that, what does a contract look like for him at different tenures?
5 years - $10M/season
6 years - $9.8M/season
7 years - $9.5M/season
8 years - $9.3M/season


I really think they shouldn’t go beyond 6 years for Huberdeau, even if they have to pay him a little more money near term. They’re not in the drivers seat here considering they are a desperate bride at the moment. I think it’ll be a quick signing at 8 years within the next two weeks.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

If my pay rate was highly variable and tied to my recent amazing performance, I'd absolutely be keen to lock in. The alternative is finding myself in any of 22 other cities, who may/may not be keen on retaining my services beyond this year.

He could try to control the situation like Tkachuk, but given his AAV it's possible a team will make the best offer regardless of mutual interest for an extension.

For sure. But his recent performance can’t go downhill between now and October.

He has plenty of time

[SebC]

Originally Posted by atb

I think without a doubt even if the Flames are leading the division at the deadline and Huberdeau is unsigned, they have to move him for the best return possible. I feel like the fan base would be much more understanding of that type of move vs. the potential of Huberdeau walking as a UFA.

If we're leading the division there is nothing wrong with a "self-rental". I don't see either of these guys getting flipped unless we're out of it at the deadline, which I don't expect we will be.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by fleury

I strongly believe Huberdeau is a stronger player than Tkachuk today, in the sense he’s a more naturally gifted scorer. And by the same token he’s on par with Johnny, if not slightly better. Having said that, what does a contract look like for him at different tenures?
5 years - $10M/season
6 years - $9.8M/season
7 years - $9.5M/season
8 years - $9.3M/season


I really think they shouldn’t go beyond 6 years for Huberdeau, even if they have to pay him a little more money near term. They’re not in the drivers seat here considering they are a desperate bride at the moment. I think it’ll be a quick signing at 8 years within the next two weeks.

If they won’t sign him for 8 years somebody else will. I suspect it takes a bit more than 9.3 to sign him to a 8 year deal.

[442scotty]

I’ll guess max term and cost because they actually are in the drivers seat if the Flames actually want to keep them

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Too bad they won’t get that much time to piss or get off the pot.
Jonny G made Brad look dumb, don’t expect the same patience shown with these two assets.

The same level of patience would be walking them to UFA.

I don’t expect that.