[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

My take on tkachuk was that his reputation in everything was out sized in terms of his play game to game. He's not dirty like the media has said. He's not really this unicorn Iginla like guy either as he's an average at best fighter. He's effective and a good player, but I'll be surprised if he's more than a ppg player going forward.

A Mark Stone type guy rather than a Jarome Iginla.

Tkachuk has definitely been hyped by a bunch of media guys who rarely watch him play. He has elite vision and hands, and is great along the boards and down low. But he doesn’t hit much anymore, hasn’t ever stepped up with clutch play in the playoffs, and his running around takes himself out of the game as often as it takes the opposition off theirs. He doesn’t have the composure or the consistent intensity to be the player his cheerleaders think he is.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Tkachuk has definitely been hyped by a bunch of media guys who rarely watch him play. He has elite vision and hands, and is great along the boards and down low. But he doesn’t hit much anymore, hasn’t ever stepped up with clutch play in the playoffs, and his running around takes himself out of the game as often as it takes the opposition off theirs. He doesn’t have the composure or the consistent intensity to be the player his cheerleaders think he is.

You didn't even the mention the worst part of his game.... a Unicorn with 3 legs...

[OminousFlames]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Honest question, what has he done that is so bad and gross that he has to be held accountable? Did he rape and abuse some one? Did he drive drunk and killed or injured some one. As far as I know, he spewed some political views that you don't agree with. I guess freedom of speech really isn't free, eh?

I grew up a huge Theo Fleury fan, but I go on twitter, and see his ranting and raving a lot, which has made him sour on me a bit. I know he is very anti-Trudeau, very conservative. But I don't follow politics nearly as much as he does, so I can't condemn or praise him for what he is doing. I kind of tuned him out on twitter. I do know he has a lot of followers, but a lot of enemies too.
I know from a PR standpoint the Flames will never retire his number.
So I think if Huberdeau decides to sign long term, why not give him the #14?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by OminousFlames

I grew up a huge Theo Fleury fan, but I go on twitter, and see his ranting and raving a lot, which has made him sour on me a bit. I know he is very anti-Trudeau, very conservative. But I don't follow politics nearly as much as he does, so I can't condemn or praise him for what he is doing. I kind of tuned him out on twitter. I do know he has a lot of followers, but a lot of enemies too.
I know from a PR standpoint the Flames will never retire his number.
So I think if Huberdeau decides to sign long term, why not give him the #14?

Doubtful he wants it

Nothing good comes from that. He doesn’t need to prove some point on behalf of anyone else in the franchise

[miraisoup]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Well, if that happened we'd be sellers at the deadline and probably have a minimum of three 1sts in the 2023 draft, including a legit shot at Bedard and most likely be picking top 3.

That NHL 22 sim engine is laughably bad.

[Hockey_Ninja]

This is a valid reason to want to leave tbh

[megatron]

Wow... go away for the weekend and come back to see this happened! I thought for sure this would drag into August, but I'm glad it didn't.

I was fully on the re-build train as well, but that was when I thought the return would be for picks/prospects/young players. No idea a Huberdeau-centred package was even on the table.

This is a great trade by BT. For Tkachuk who wasn't going to sign, to get a elite LW, top-pairing D, good prospect and a 1st round pick.... crazy.

Hopefully Huberdeau and Weegar sign extensions, but if they don't/aren't willing, then trade them this summer and collect more picks + prospects. Yes, BT kicked the "can down the road", but he can still turn them into more assets.

Being a fan is much more fun & interesting when you're battling for the division/playoff spot, instead of draft position.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

This is a valid reason to want to leave tbh

Spoiler!

[dissentowner]

Does anyone know what time the media availability will be for the new players today?

[t0rrent98]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Jonathan Huberdeau should wear #50 because he's gonna score 50 goals every single game.

I saw for a brief second on a FB post that Huberdeau isn't happy about the trade to Calgary. I didn't bother clicking the link cuz I figured it was click bait. It's most likely not real.

Going to be tough to get players to come after what's just transpired the last week or so.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

I saw for a brief second on a FB post that Huberdeau isn't happy about the trade to Calgary. I didn't bother clicking the link cuz I figured it was click bait. It's most likely not real.

Going to be tough to get players to come after what's just transpired the last week or so.

No it isn’t.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

I saw for a brief second on a FB post that Huberdeau isn't happy about the trade to Calgary. I didn't bother clicking the link cuz I figured it was click bait. It's most likely not real.

Going to be tough to get players to come after what's just transpired the last week or so.

Players want to win and compete. If anything, Treliving sent a message that the Flames aren’t tanking and will be pushing for playoffs and championships. That’s not going to dissuade players. If Tkachuk was traded for picks and prospects, it would turn players away, because as interested as fans might be in the first overall pick, most players want to be in a situation where they can succeed.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

I saw for a brief second on a FB post that Huberdeau isn't happy about the trade to Calgary. I didn't bother clicking the link cuz I figured it was click bait. It's most likely not real.

Going to be tough to get players to come after what's just transpired the last week or so.

If you read the articles, it seems he is upset with the Panthers, not being traded to the Flames. He was expecting a contract extension but talks never happened and then he was traded. Sounds like he was blindsided by the Panthers.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

I saw for a brief second on a FB post that Huberdeau isn't happy about the trade to Calgary. I didn't bother clicking the link cuz I figured it was click bait. It's most likely not real.

Going to be tough to get players to come after what's just transpired the last week or so.

That was an article referencing another report. He was unhappy with how Florida handled the situation, not with going to Calgary specifically but in typical online media fashion someone ran a misleading headline

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Slava

Players want to win and compete. If anything, Treliving sent a message that the Flames aren’t tanking and will be pushing for playoffs and championships. That’s not going to dissuade players. If Tkachuk was traded for picks and prospects, it would turn players away, because as interested as fans might be in the first overall pick, most players want to be in a situation where they can succeed.

Just because players can see the Flames are trying doesn't mean they'll like what they see in this team.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Tkachuk has definitely been hyped by a bunch of media guys who rarely watch him play. He has elite vision and hands, and is great along the boards and down low. But he doesn’t hit much anymore, hasn’t ever stepped up with clutch play in the playoffs, and his running around takes himself out of the game as often as it takes the opposition off theirs. He doesn’t have the composure or the consistent intensity to be the player his cheerleaders think he is.

The issues he has, composure and consistent intensity could easily right themselves as he moves into his mid to late 20s. Skating is never going to be a strong suit but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Panthers get a much better playoff Tkachuk than we had.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

If you read the articles, it seems he is upset with the Panthers, not being traded to the Flames. He was expecting a contract extension but talks never happened and then he was traded. Sounds like he was blindsided by the Panthers.

Bolded the answer to soooooo many problems. Stop reading headlines and guessing what the whole story is.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

I saw for a brief second on a FB post that Huberdeau isn't happy about the trade to Calgary. I didn't bother clicking the link cuz I figured it was click bait. It's most likely not real.

Going to be tough to get players to come after what's just transpired the last week or so.

Um I think he is pissed was waiting to extend in Florida then traded out of nowhere. I think he has a right to be pissed and probably had the rug pulled out from under him.

[devo22]

looking forward to hearing from the new guys today. Might give us a better picture as to what's next.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Yeah I agree, if Huberdeau re-signs a contract at some point, then the trade is an absolute steal. The value for Florida was that they received 8 years of Tkachuk. 8 years of Huberdeau + all the extras, that instantly swings in favor of Treliving. But that is the biggest if of them all.

Do we even know how Huberdeau or Weager have reacted? We’ve heard that Matthew is excited to go to Florida, but what about the 2 new guys we acquired?

I honestly don't see much downside in this transaction until the puck drops for next season and neither player is signed.

They got way more than I or almost anyone expected.

Until that point it's a great asset transaction that puts the franchise in a better spot than I was expecting when Gaudreau left and Tkachuk said he wanted out.

If they can't sign either player, and go into the season with two UFAs it's a strange move by ownership to win again and I'll be disappointed.