[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If this actually goes to arbitration, the Flames have already lost.

Its the Flames.

This is The Way.

[the-rasta-masta]

Don’t forget there are only 4 days until Tkachuk had to sign his qualifying offer. This was probably done with Tkachuk’s camps blessing so they have more time to negotiate. I see it as a good thing.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If this actually goes to arbitration, the Flames have already lost.

I suspect, like the Sens did with Mark Stone, that the Flames will sign a one year contract with Tkachuk right before it goes to arbitration. Something like 9.75 million for one year, a win win for both parties. The Flames get Tkachuk signed and Tkachuk gets more money than he would have under the Qualifying Offer.

[Mars]

At first I was in total agreement that the offer sheet angle didn’t make sense since anything below 10.5 they probably match and anything ridiculously above 10.5 they take the picks… BUT there is another aspect, which is the rumour via Zadorov that internally they are saying no rebuild to the players.

Another club could cause a bit of a problem by offering something in the 11.5+ range, either handcuffing the flames cap-wise or forcing them to go back on their (rumoured internal) promise to the players that they aren’t rebuilding. I don’t know how plausible that is but I think it’s not totally crazy.

How important is the reputation hit if they have to change course on rebuilding? I don’t know, but it’s plausible that removing the possibility of offer sheet does matter. More time for negotiations and removing the possibility of a holdout may be the more important motivators for this move though. I have no idea I’m just speculating of course.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I suspect, like the Sens did with Mark Stone, that the Flames will sign a one year contract with Tkachuk right before it goes to arbitration. Something like 9.75 million for one year, a win win for both parties. The Flames get Tkachuk signed and Tkachuk gets more money than he would have under the Qualifying Offer.

That would absolutely be an L for the Flames.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That would absolutely be an L for the Flames.

Well if you are playing chess yes, but if you are playing checkers it is a big win. The Flames are playing checkers while the other teams are playing chess.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well if you are playing chess yes, but if you are playing checkers it is a big win. The Flames are playing checkers while the other teams are playing chess.

You mean like how the Flames are the only team that would ever lose a Panarin to free agency?

[Royle9]

Let’s not get overly optimistic like the Johnny signing lol

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I suspect, like the Sens did with Mark Stone, that the Flames will sign a one year contract with Tkachuk right before it goes to arbitration. Something like 9.75 million for one year, a win win for both parties. The Flames get Tkachuk signed and Tkachuk gets more money than he would have under the Qualifying Offer.

Why would the Flames do that? What benefit do they get from that deal? They could just let Tkachuk sign his qualifying offer and be in the exact same situation - Tkachuk being a UFA at the end of the contract - and not having to pay an extra $750K to the player. What is the win for the Flames?

[activeStick]

Doing this forces Tkachuk to make a decision - does he want to cash in on his 100+ point season and guarantee a larger total sum of money over some number of years? Or does he think he'll get similar offers from teams (including the Flames) in a year? Can he be certain he will get the same number of points and won't get injured?

[Madman]

Originally Posted by Locke

As I said before, all of my named jerseys have been gifts.

[Macho0978]

I think the only positive is time. If they can’t sign him they need to shop him

Maybe they are at a point they no they can’t sign him at simply want the time to find a good trade.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You mean like how the Flames are the only team that would ever lose a Panarin to free agency?

Well they are the only team who lost a Panarin to a team that lost a Panarin. But no, my comment has nothing to do with Gaudreau, just the general way things are run by the hockey management department. Not sure why they would need more time to sign a longterm contract, they theoretically were negotiating with Tkachuk for the past 2 months. But I guess it is possible that they need more time to negotiate. I can't remember the last time a team took such a high profile player to arbitration one year out from UFA status. The entire decision is perplexing unless they are shopping a trade and did not want to trade a player signed to a one year contract.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ya I don't think that is true, but even if for some reason the Flames could offer 7.65 million, the arbitrator will give much more than that for a 104 point player.

The arbitrator cannot award less that 85% of last seasons contract which would be $5.95 million however the Flames offer could be more but it wont be 9 million.

[OptimalTates]

Wonder if they were afraid of another holdout.

Brady’s holdout cost him a couple games. But you also miss out on training camp and the team doesn’t come out firing right away. Especially a team with a major change like losing Gaudreau requiring new line combinations. Of course the player can take some time to find their footing too.

Worst case scenario for the Flames is Tkachuk sucking and leaving next year, I guess this limits Tkachuk sucking because he missed out on pre-season.

[Jay Random]

Tkachuk already had to make that decision.

What this does is force him to come to the negotiating table, instead of making the decision in the next four days so he can walk without negotiating.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh yes, this will end well.

Beginning of the end.

[neo45]

It’s a gamble for Brad, he might have just raised the one year QO when he didn’t need to

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Doing this forces Tkachuk to make a decision - does he want to cash in on his 100+ point season and guarantee a larger total sum of money over some number of years? Or does he think he'll get similar offers from teams (including the Flames) in a year? Can he be certain he will get the same number of points and won't get injured?

He had that decision with the QO. This is almost the opposite and prolonging that decision, not forcing it.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Don’t forget there are only 4 days until Tkachuk had to sign his qualifying offer. This was probably done with Tkachuk’s camps blessing so they have more time to negotiate. I see it as a good thing.

Or they knew he was going to sign it and walk in a year so arbitration could award less than 9 million