[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

I agree with you on the "being a man" stuff, and taking care of his family etc..


However, I keep seeing that he doesn't owe the fans anything. Well the fans don't owe him anything either. He handled this poorly and the fans can call it like it is. It doesn't matter if this was a hard decision for him, he handled this situation very poorly and fans have as much right to criticize him and be annoyed by it, as he does to go play wherever he likes. They also have the right to boo him when he comes back, and that doesn't make them toxic.

Has anyone said that. I and maybe others have said he doesn't owe the team anything. No player should be expected to put fans ahead of what's best for them. That would be ridiculous. Maybe if Johnny doesn't post a nice goodbye message to fans that would be disappointing but that's really all he owes the fans.

[Shirokumayama]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Johnny never cared about winning you guys, his record and style in the playoffs should have told everyone that. He wanted to be out east, took the best blend of money and location. Columbus is kinda far from jersey but it’s a hell of a lot closer than Calgary, not even debatable. One hour domestic flight. But yeah this is what I’m saying, we’re better off without him.

I agree. His playoff performance frustrated the hell out of me.

This year was better... but 2 years ago he was invisible.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That's just wrong. You can be a man in many ways. He said it was about his family. Well maybe he's happy to take more than enough money to provide, but also not be in the spotlight so much and have extra time off in the spring to spend with his family, not having to worry about the playoffs and all. Taking care of your family is a #1 goal as far as "being a man" is concerned. Now, you can say he isn't a "#1 Alpha Male" becuase he isn't pursuing a hockey goal, which is fair enough, but I'd argue that's probably a good thing.

He doesn't owe us anything, he can do whatever he chooses. Fans are so toxic it's sad.

Thats exactly what I'm saying.

Its not an endictment on him as a person necessarily. He's just not a guy in his masculine who is acting upon that essence because he is shying away from his career goals at the end of the day.

A lot of guys don't act on their goals and decide they're going to put family ahead of their goals when they find out that's happening. So they settle on a less ideal situation or position than that they could have reached - in this case, competing for the cup (and becoming a franchise player with records).

It is loving and selfless in one sense, but they're also giving up something that they desire within them in another sense. And guys who give up their career goals in favour of others (even family) are going to be left wanting at the end of the day because they didn't fully fill out the potential of where they could've reached and realise their own potential.

So for Johnny to take this route is disappointing. But maybe Johnny just isn't up to tackling both. And that's what I was getting at.

Do I judge him for it? No. I don't. But I'm not going to pretend that he isn't giving up something that is in the essence of every guy which is the drive to achieve one's goals within their passion. It just is what it is.

He has different priorities now. And that's fine.

Edit: and maybe the Jackets become good in the coming years, but I'm not holding my breath for that team. It's not an ideal place to be if you want/expect to compete.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

For me, I just don’t understand why going to Columbus has triggered everybody. Like Nassau County is also a pretty far drive for the Gaudreau clan, would we be pissed if he went to the Islanders? I doubt it.

I don’t know, maybe it’s just me. But I was just very indifferent on where he ended up. Columbus, Carolina, Washington, whatever man, thanks for the memories Johnny. I won’t be booing.

I think it's just because it feels like it makes sense to be spurned for Philly, New Jersey, or New York. Less sense to be spurned for Columbus.

Never makes sense when you ex leaves you for somebody that you think is uglier than you.

It's a fair point though:

Wells Fargo Center (PHI) is a 44 minute drive to Salem, NJ

Belmont Park (NYI) is a ~3 hour drive to Salem, NJ

Prudential Center (NJD) is a ~2 hour drive to Salem, NJ

Nationwide Arena (CBJ) is a ~8 hour drive to Salem, NJ

Philly was clearly the preferred destination but Fletcher screwed up and went and gave Tony DeAngelo $5M for some reason and then refused to trade JVR.

But really NYI, NJD, and CBJ probably don't have a lot of difference between them. And maybe Johnny just really didn't want to live in the New York metro area.

Philly is a big city too...but it's not New York.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I think people are reading too much into CBJ GM comment about “ok is this real?”

Yes I’m sure they were surprised Johnny had them at the top of the list because most rumours suggested if he left Calgary, it’d be to go to the coast.

But the quotes make it clear CBJ had him on their list of FA possibilities. Not to mention the quotes say everything moved quickly.

Nothing in there suggests Johnny intended to sign there the whole time. Only that they were one of the possible destinations he had in mind.

We’ll never know if Calgary had any shot but frankly I don’t care. It was a failure by our ownership and GM to ever take that risk.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Thats exactly what I'm saying.

Its not an endictment on him as a person necessarily. He's just not a guy in his masculine who is acting upon that essence because he is shying away from his career goals at the end of the day.

A lot of guys don't act on their goals and decide they're going to put family ahead of their goals when they find out that's happening. So they settle on a less ideal situation or position than that they could have reached - in this case, competing for the cup.

It is loving and selfless in one sense, but they're also giving up something that they desire within them in another sense. And guys who give up their career goals in favour of others (even family) are going to be left wanting at the end of the day because they didn't fully fill out the potential of where they could've reached and realise their own potential.

So for Johnny to take this route is disappointing. But maybe Johnny just isn't up to tackling both. And that's what I was getting at.

It's disappointing for you(which is meaningless). It may be perfect for him. How are you to know his motivations, or if they have changed over time? It's baffling you think you know better than him what is best for his happyness.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Thats exactly what I'm saying.

Its not an endictment on him as a person necessarily. He's just not a guy in his masculine who is acting upon that essence because he is shying away from his career goals at the end of the day.

A lot of guys don't act on their goals and decide they're going to put family ahead of their goals when they find out that's happening. So they settle on a less ideal situation or position than that they could have reached - in this case, competing for the cup.

It is loving and selfless in one sense, but they're also giving up something that they desire within them in another sense. And guys who give up their career goals in favour of others (even family) are going to be left wanting at the end of the day because they didn't fully fill out the potential of where they could've reached and realise their own potential.

So for Johnny to take this route is disappointing. But maybe Johnny just isn't up to tackling both. And that's what I was getting at.

To me, here's what it sounds like you're saying.
Being an Alpha male is part of a mans mental makeup. And if we don't put success and striving for higher goals as our main focus, we'd know deep down that in some way we're a failure.

I think people are mostly taking issue with what you feel makes a guy a "man".

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Thats exactly what I'm saying.

Its not an endictment on him as a person necessarily. He's just not a guy in his masculine who is acting upon that essence because he is shying away from his career goals at the end of the day.

A lot of guys don't act on their goals and decide they're going to put family ahead of their goals when they find out that's happening. So they settle on a less ideal situation or position than that they could have reached - in this case, competing for the cup.

It is loving and selfless in one sense, but they're also giving up something that they desire within them in another sense. And guys who give up their career goals in favour of others (even family) are going to be left wanting at the end of the day because they didn't fully fill out the potential of where they could've reached and realise their own potential.

So for Johnny to take this route is disappointing. But maybe Johnny just isn't up to tackling both. And that's what I was getting at.

Do I judge him for it? No. I don't. But I'm not going to pretend that he isn't giving up something that is in the essence of every guy which is the drive to achieve one's goals within their passion. It just is what it is.

He has different priorities now. And that's fine.

I still think you have no idea what being a man or masculinity actually is.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Thats exactly what I'm saying.

Its not an endictment on him as a person necessarily. He's just not a guy in his masculine who is acting upon that essence because he is shying away from his career goals at the end of the day.

A lot of guys don't act on their goals and decide they're going to put family ahead of their goals when they find out that's happening. So they settle on a less ideal situation or position than that they could have reached - in this case, competing for the cup.

It is loving and selfless in one sense, but they're also giving up something that they desire within them in another sense. And guys who give up their career goals in favour of others (even family) are going to be left wanting at the end of the day because they didn't fully fill out the potential of where they could've reached and realise their own potential.

So for Johnny to take this route is disappointing. But maybe Johnny just isn't up to tackling both. And that's what I was getting at.

Prioritizing Career Goals = Good and fulfilling your potential

Prioritizing family and being loving, and self less = Bad and not realizing your potential.

Got it.

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Do I judge him for it? No. I don't. But I'm not going to pretend that he isn't giving up something that is in the essence of every guy which is the drive to achieve one's goals within their passion. It just is what it is.

He has different priorities now. And that's fine.

This is your take...but doesn't mean it's right or that it's some thing that a man must achieve to feel fulfilled.

I'm pretty well regarded at my place of employment and am on a decent career trajectory and I feel fulfilled and happy with my career, but I feel 1000% times more fullfilled when I watch my daughter do something I taught her than anything I get from my career, or when I get to see her doing cool things with her grandparents.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Has anyone said that. I and maybe others have said he doesn't owe the team anything. No player should be expected to put fans ahead of what's best for them. That would be ridiculous. Maybe if Johnny doesn't post a nice goodbye message to fans that would be disappointing but that's really all he owes the fans.

It was literally in the post I quoted. "He doesn't owe us anything".

I agree he doesn't, but the fans don't owe him anything either, and criticism or praise, whatever it may be is fine. This idea that fans booing him, or criticizing this move that screwed the team is somehow toxic is silly. He played a role in making this team worse, and the fans don't need to pretend that they are ok with it. I could care less about a thank you post of video from Johnny, I'm not a child, who cares about that kind of stuff. The only thing I'm annoyed at is how he and the Flames handled this, and it sure seems like at the last second he changed his mind and really screwed this organization. Maybe we'll find out more, but it sure seems like he made the Flames believe he'd be willing to stay for the right deal, and obviously Flames management should have had a plan long before the deadline.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that he should put fans ahead of his family, and I've seen post after post of people saying they don't fault him for wanting to play closer to family etc.

[Sainters7]

EDIT: Nvmd rumour stuff, I thought better of it after posting

[Heavy Jack]

That sums it up quite nicely. I can’t harp on fans who will boo Johnny, he set this franchise back years with this decision and at the end of the day he’s making millions and will forget about any boos he receives pretty quickly. Fans don’t owe Johnny anything just like he showed he didn’t owe them anything with how he went about this decision. Is what it is.

[activeStick]

At least Fox made it clear to Treliving he wasn't signing and Treliving proved that he'll act if faced with this and will make the team better for it, getting a top pair dman and #1 200 foot center in return. Perhaps Gross and Johnny saw what happened to Fox and didn't want to risk getting traded to whichever team would give the best deal to the Flames as it might be undesirable or too far from home for Johnny.

[Jordan!]

I don't think Treliving was surprised, trading Johnny before the playoffs would've been stupid. You gamble as an organization and this instance The Flames lost the gamble. It happens.

[alan21]

The reverse Lebron?

You're supposed to leave Ohio! Even if you're from there like Lebron!

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Still nothing from Johnny thanking the city or fans eh?

He's a child, obviously

[JackIsBack]

This is all bad for Johnny.... it's a badly structured contract, there are no signing bonuses to make it at least a little more buyout proof, he will lose the full 1/3 if something was to happen to his performance, which brings me to my second point. I don't think Johnny has players around him to help make his style of hockey succeed there, I think Johnny's stats are going south with him.


When you move away from your original team, there are some players that just never get back up to that level of play again - I hope I'm wrong about Johnny, but I think he may have signed his way into that situation. I would see things differently if he went to the New York Rangers for example.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Thats exactly what I'm saying.

Its not an endictment on him as a person necessarily. He's just not a guy in his masculine who is acting upon that essence because he is shying away from his career goals at the end of the day.

A lot of guys don't act on their goals and decide they're going to put family ahead of their goals when they find out that's happening. So they settle on a less ideal situation or position than that they could have reached - in this case, competing for the cup (and becoming a franchise player with records).

It is loving and selfless in one sense, but they're also giving up something that they desire within them in another sense. And guys who give up their career goals in favour of others (even family) are going to be left wanting at the end of the day because they didn't fully fill out the potential of where they could've reached and realise their own potential.

So for Johnny to take this route is disappointing. But maybe Johnny just isn't up to tackling both. And that's what I was getting at.

Do I judge him for it? No. I don't. But I'm not going to pretend that he isn't giving up something that is in the essence of every guy which is the drive to achieve one's goals within their passion. It just is what it is.

He has different priorities now. And that's fine.

You want to harp on the consequences of prioritizing family over career? Have at it. Although it doesn't sound like you're coming from a position of knowledge or experience so you're not being very persuasive.

But it sure sounds like you place a lot of emphasis on gender in this analysis. You seem to think "guys" are more interested in achieving their goals than anyone else. You also have an incredibly narrow definition of goals.

In another thread, didn't you say you aspired to be a life or career coach or something like that? You might want to start absorbing some different perspectives because you are going to rub a whole lot of your customers the wrong way. That probably won't help you achieve your goals.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Prioritizing Career Goals = Good and fulfilling your potential

Prioritizing family and being loving, and self less = Bad and not realizing your potential.

Got it.



This is your take...but doesn't mean it's right or that it's some thing that a man must achieve to feel fulfilled.

I'm pretty well regarded at my place of employment and am on a decent career trajectory and I feel fulfilled and happy with my career, but I feel 1000% times more fullfilled when I watch my daughter do something I taught her than anything I get from my career, or when I get to see her doing cool things with her grandparents.

Good for you, man. That's awesome.

And like I said, Johnny could do both. He could excel in career and enjoy all the rewards of family.

He sacrificed on the career side here.

[Jordan!]

Did you know Columbus's nickname is also "Cowtown"

One more kick in the dicks imo

Source: Wikipedia because I knew literally nothing about Columbus, Ohio