2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[NOISIA]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

He can get promoted to the staff but it seems like Huska would be the guy if they went rebuild.

True, I guess Huska could be for the rebuild and then let Love run with it.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by NOISIA

Gotta trade Mangipane, Lindholm and Hanifin then.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Don’t forget Markstrom.

Those are the 5 guys to move to start the rebuild

If you rebuild I think this is the path:

First priority would be moving Tkachuk - the contract uncertainty and ability for him to be UFA in a year makes him top priority even though he's only 24.

First names you shop if you are going rebuild would be:

Backlund (33)
Coleman (30)
Toffoli (30)
Tanev (32)
Markstrom (32)

Those are the guys that are 30+ that would have great value coming off the strong team success last year. Of course Monahan and Lucic would be part of this too but probably tougher to move them for any value.

The next two would be:

Lindholm (28 - 2 years remaining)
Hanifin (25 - 2 years remaining)

Probably be able to get great value for them but also not guys you necessarily need to rush to move and can try to get the best value for them.

You need to keep some guys and I think I might keep Mangiapane, Dube, Andersson, and Kylington. They seem to have the right attitude and represent guys who weren't early picks that worked to make the team - always like keeping guys like that.

It's all a moot point anyways because I don't think a re-build happens.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yeah, unless they can trade the coach, they're bringing back a lot of the team, and fighting harder to win 2-1 games. I doubt we see much new up front, and maybe a higher priced 4-5 defenceman. Sutter will use this you guys can't win without Gaudreau as a motivator to get the team to committ even harder to not giving up chances and goals against.

Which is probably a good thing after the river hockey they played against the Oilers.

[BaconGuy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

First names you shop if you are going rebuild would be:

Backlund (33)
Coleman (30)
Toffoli (30)
Tanev (32)
Markstrom (32)

While I agree these are the guys that should be going, Calgary would need to be careful with Coleman, Tanev and Markstrom as these were FA signings. These guys committed to Calgary in good faith and it dosent show well to trade them a couple years in their contracts.

Certainly would have future FA's thinking twice about inking with Calgary

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by BaconGuy

While I agree these are the guys that should be going, Calgary would need to be careful with Coleman, Tanev and Markstrom as these were FA signings. These guys committed to Calgary in good faith and it dosent show well to trade them a couple years in their contracts.

Certainly would have future FA's thinking twice about inking with Calgary

If they want to be traded to have a chance to win, that doesn't hurt Calgary's free agent reputation.

[alan21]

Things change, Tanev and Markstrom has been here long enough and if there's a clear directional change with the team compared to when they signed, I'm sure they would welcome it. Coleman came from back to back cups so I don't see why he would have a problem having a chance to keep winning.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If you rebuild I think this is the path:

First priority would be moving Tkachuk - the contract uncertainty and ability for him to be UFA in a year makes him top priority even though he's only 24.

First names you shop if you are going rebuild would be:

Backlund (33)
Coleman (30)
Toffoli (30)
Tanev (32)
Markstrom (32)

Those are the guys that are 30+ that would have great value coming off the strong team success last year. Of course Monahan and Lucic would be part of this too but probably tougher to move them for any value.

The next two would be:

Lindholm (28 - 2 years remaining)
Hanifin (25 - 2 years remaining)

Probably be able to get great value for them but also not guys you necessarily need to rush to move and can try to get the best value for them.

You need to keep some guys and I think I might keep Mangiapane, Dube, Andersson, and Kylington. They seem to have the right attitude and represent guys who weren't early picks that worked to make the team - always like keeping guys like that.

It's all a moot point anyways because I don't think a re-build happens.

Here is how I would do it.

Tell Darryl the team is rebuilding and he can have a role in the organization as advisor or whatever.

- Trade Markstrom to a contending team where he would waive his NMC
- Trade Lindholm for a kings ransom any contending team should be willing to pay the price for his age/contract/200 ft game
- trade Chucky to a team he is willing to sign for 8 years and hopefully the market is bigger than the Blues
- trade Mangiapane’s rights to a team who misses out on Johnny like the Islanders
- trade Hanifin for the highest return

Start the season with the vets still on the team and ensure plenty of young guys get their looks. Deadline sell off Monahan and Lucic for sure while gauging the market for Bscklund, Toffoli, Tanev and be ready to move them at the deadline or the following draft. They would all be getting huge minutes and responsibilities so their value may increase during the season.

Post deadline it is hard tank to the bottom (team should already be near the bottom) and hope for the lotto luck to get us Bedard or another high end prospect. Likely multiple 1sts from the rebuilding trades and plenty of cap space. Do this for 2-3 years and likely try to move forward when the 2023 1st rounder inks their long term RFA extension

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^ Great plan. Doubt we see anything close to it.

[AltaGuy]

What's a realistic amount of points for Tkachuk without Gaudreau? 80?

Obviously, he'll still be on the top line with top PP minutes, but there's also a chance he pouts and gets like 65... I don't think there's any chance of him going north of 90.

His value at the trade deadline would be quite a bit lower than now I would assume.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I don't think the team is going to re-build.
I think the path forward is
- They will try to retool and compete this year
- If they aren't in a playoff position they will deal off some vets
- The opportunity for a true re-build happens next summer with a potential new coach and new GM at the helm.

This year will be a weird year I think. A transition year if you will.

[Jore]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think the team is going to re-build.
I think the path forward is
- They will try to retool and compete this year
- If they aren't in a playoff position they will deal off some vets
- The opportunity for a true re-build happens next summer with a potential new coach and new GM at the helm.

This year will be a weird year I think. A transition year if you will.

The problem is that the most important piece to kicking off a rebuild or going status quo needs to be resolved now, or you risk the same song and dance again next summer.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think the team is going to re-build.
I think the path forward is
- They will try to retool and compete this year
- If they aren't in a playoff position they will deal off some vets
- The opportunity for a true re-build happens next summer with a potential new coach and new GM at the helm.

This year will be a weird year I think. A transition year if you will.

Typical Flames to not take advantage of selling vets after career years and not time a rebuild around one of the best and deepest drafts in the last 10 years.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Jore

The problem is that the most important piece to kicking off a rebuild or going status quo needs to be resolved now, or you risk the same song and dance again next summer.

Oh it's being resolved now.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jore

The problem is that the most important piece to kicking off a rebuild or going status quo needs to be resolved now, or you risk the same song and dance again next summer.

I'm on board with the rumor of a 5 year-ish deal for him.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I'm on board with the rumor of a 5 year-ish deal for him.

Same, that would be the best outcome for the Flames and where they are at right now.

[Jore]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Typical Flames to not take advantage of selling vets after career years and not time a rebuild around one of the best and deepest drafts in the last 10 years.

The org's consistent reactive decision making and lack of foresight is truly stunning

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I'm on board with the rumor of a 5 year-ish deal for him.

Haven't seen this. Source?

[PepsiFree]

I'm not going to deny this situation sucks, but a lot of the things people are labelling as "typical Flames" are also typical of most, if not all other franchises.

This one just stings more because it's a big fish. The Flames could've sold low on Gaudreau last summer or signed him to long-term deal everyone would've hated at the time, or sold low after his career year this year as all it would've been for is early negotiating rights (and, clearly, no team needed them).

The UFA list is full of guys teams should've sold high on. Tampa, Florida, New York, Carolina... every contender is guilty of it. And so is every other team. We can excuse Colorado because they won the cup.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I'm not going to deny this situation sucks, but a lot of the things people are labelling as "typical Flames" are also typical of most, if not all other franchises.

This one just stings more because it's a big fish. The Flames could've sold low on Gaudreau last summer or signed him to long-term deal everyone would've hated at the time, or sold low after his career year this year as all it would've been for is early negotiating rights (and, clearly, no team needed them).

The UFA list is full of guys teams should've sold high on. Tampa, Florida, New York, Carolina... every contender is guilty of it. And so is every other team. We can excuse Colorado because they won the cup.

I mean, is there any organization that has fewer potential/budding stars than the Flames?

I really do believe that very few teams would try to compete in this scenario. But I guess who knows. Maybe the Flames do go the rebuild route.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I'm not going to deny this situation sucks, but a lot of the things people are labelling as "typical Flames" are also typical of most, if not all other franchises.

This one just stings more because it's a big fish. The Flames could've sold low on Gaudreau last summer or signed him to long-term deal everyone would've hated at the time, or sold low after his career year this year as all it would've been for is early negotiating rights (and, clearly, no team needed them).

The UFA list is full of guys teams should've sold high on. Tampa, Florida, New York, Carolina... every contender is guilty of it. And so is every other team. We can excuse Colorado because they won the cup.

Those are all elite teams or teams on the rise. The Flames have been a very inconsistent team with stretches where they look great and stretches where they look horrible. There were a lot of career years last year which I think had people thinking they were a contender but the truth came out in the playoffs. They are nowhere near a contender even with Johnny. One bad bounce and they were out in the first round to a weak Dallas team. They lost 4 straight to an average Oilers team. It's the typical Flames because you can see their trajectory miles away, years in advance. But they try to squeeze every last drop out of the team trying for some kind of hail mary when they could be proactive and truly setup the team to succeeed in the future. If its strictly a financial thing then sure whatever the owners do whatever they want. But if they truly want to build an elite team they are absolutely horrendous at doing so.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I mean, is there any organization that has fewer potential/budding stars than the Flames?

I really do believe that very few teams would try to compete in this scenario. But I guess who knows. Maybe the Flames do go the rebuild route.

Chicago? Haha.

Philly, Washington, San Jose, Winnipeg, Nashville, Buffalo...

All debatable, but we're among an exclusively poor group in terms of future outlook.

I'm all for a rebuild at this point. I think with Gaudreau you had to go for it. Without? I dunno, I don't see a path that doesn't involve being worse than expected and winning the draft lottery. Tkachuk, Lindholm, Hanifin, and Andersson are all great young/prime pieces to build around, but I don't know what you build with.