Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Torture]

Doesn't feel great that Murray Edwards is involved here.

[browna]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1546343271265345539

Seravalli knows no more than anyone on this board. Few do except those that matter. It kills the local and the national press when they can't scoop any story and the slant of the writing from the outside media is written always as a doomsday scenario.

I think JGs made his decision and I'm guessing the Flames know what it is. As mentioned over and over, there's optics at play here whichever way it goes, and both sides are well aware of the perceptions that they will want to get ahead of or be ready to explain.

IMO the extra year means nothing to JG. Nor does the money, within reason.
It is and always has been to play and live in a city closer to his parents and his wife's parents and raise their child there for next 7 years, or, stay as a Flame, and have a legacy as a career long Flame and a banner in the rafters, while in the meantime, a couple year window at a good Cup run with a coach who pushes him, teammates he likes and a city he likes to play in.

That's it, IMO there's no more negotiation really required, or has there been for a while (it's been all vauge statements about further talks in the last week leading into the draft), it comes down to his life preference and the Flames respect that and he respects the Flames for respecting that.

[Vinny01]

I don’t blame fans outside or inside our market feeling like Johnny is a goner. Every report from an insider says there is no traction and talks are almost nonexistent. We have Treliving telling us a deal is there to be made.

This could definitely be Gross feeding the media that the $10M offer or whatever is not enough and it will be 11-11.5 to get it done.

One thing we know is Edwards doesn’t like losing negotiations and he likes to walk away. He is a hardliner in CBA negotiations, the way the arena deal came together and fell apart. I could see a scenario where he won’t want to meet the demands.

I just can’t see this getting done before late Tuesday evening if it gets done at all

[Ashasx]

Flames have to know that fan interest will dwindle to zero if they lose Gaudreau and try to replace with with literally any other free agent.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am not saying Seravalli does or does not have sources, but the "no traction" part kind of aligns with the poster that says the last Flames offer was $10 million while JG is still saying $11.5 million. That's not showing a lot of traction if that is true.

Being completely objective, if I was a fan of another team or a journalist in another market watching this, it wouldn't be going out on a limb to suggest things are not going well.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think his sources are full of something brown and smelly. This is exactly what BT meant about lots of misinformation by the media trying to drum up hits. BT said negotiations are ongoing and he is optimistic, I think I will take his word on that over some insider trying to get attention.

I could be wrong but I believe he said they were talking, which can be interpreted a little differently than negotiating which implies some give and take.

In any case, Flames have shown willingness to overpay for UFA's in both AAV and term before so I doubt they draw the line with Gaudreau.

If he has shared his asking price with the Flames, I suspect they will meet it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Flames have to know that fan interest will dwindle to zero if they lose Gaudreau and try to replace with with literally any other free agent.

Well, I think that is doubtful. And besides, teams should not be conducting hockey operations business on the basis of what fans think.

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[browna]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I am not saying Seravalli does or does not have sources, but the "no traction" part kind of aligns with the poster that says the last Flames offer was $10 million while JG is still saying $11.5 million. That's not showing a lot of traction if that is true.

Being completely objective, if I was a fan of another team or a journalist in another market watching this, it wouldn't be going out on a limb to suggest things are not going well.

Those are completely speculative numbers. "No traction" is potentially misleading too..again I think decisions have been made and made a while ago so there's no issue to have traction on to have to worry about.

If he goes somewhere else my guess is the first few words out of Johnny's mouth was that the Flames were offering more but it wasn't at all about money or the City of Calgary or the Flames organization.

And if he stays, he will say it is because he was offered more to go elsewhere but chose Calgary for all sorts of reasons.

[Yoho]

Sure heard allot of smoke as the Forsburg deal got done.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Huh? He was behind the Bill Peters hire, wasn't he? Am I living in an alternate universe? Professional?

Wtf?
When it came out what he had done they handled it professionally and got rid of him
What are you implying?

[Hockey_Ninja]

I just hope if Johnny leaves that fans don’t boo him when he comes back to the Dome

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Sure heard allot of smoke as the Forsburg deal got done.

Yes, and if I recall correctly there was very little information out there leading up to Gaudreau's last deal. Then, suddenly—very quietly—it was done.

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[VilleN]

Being only 1.5M apart is really not that much… each side moves .75M from their number and it’s a deal. 10.75M seems like a very fair number.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Wtf?
When it came out what he had done they handled it professionally and got rid of him
What are you implying?

7-Eleven does better background checks than the Flames did when they hired Bill Peters. It should also be pointed out that the Flames didn’t get rid of him. He was allowed to resign days after the story broke. Any other franchise would have fired him on the spot.

I’m implying that the Flames are run extremely unprofessionally, have demonstrated poor asset management repeatedly over the last eight years, and in short, are headed nowhere quick. I don’t blame Gaudreau for leaving town. It’ll be the same with Tkachuk next summer. Anyone with any ambition moves away from the Flames.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

7-Eleven does better background checks than the Flames did when they hired Bill Peters. It should also be pointed out that the Flames didn’t get rid of him. He was allowed to resign days after the story broke. Any other franchise would have fired him on the spot.

I’m implying that the Flames are run extremely unprofessionally, have demonstrated poor asset management repeatedly over the last eight years, and in short, are headed nowhere quick. I don’t blame Gaudreau for leaving town. It’ll be the same with Tkachuk next summer. Anyone with any ambition moves away from the Flames.

lol

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

7-Eleven does better background checks than the Flames did when they hired Bill Peters. It should also be pointed out that the Flames didn’t get rid of him. He was allowed to resign days after the story broke. Any other franchise would have fired him on the spot.



I’m implying that the Flames are run extremely unprofessionally, have demonstrated poor asset management repeatedly over the last eight years, and in short, are headed nowhere quick. I don’t blame Gaudreau for leaving town. It’ll be the same with Tkachuk next summer. Anyone with any ambition moves away from the Flames.

What a hot, steaming pile of crap.

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[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

7-Eleven does better background checks than the Flames did when they hired Bill Peters. It should also be pointed out that the Flames didn’t get rid of him. He was allowed to resign days after the story broke. Any other franchise would have fired him on the spot.

I’m implying that the Flames are run extremely unprofessionally, have demonstrated poor asset management repeatedly over the last eight years, and in short, are headed nowhere quick. I don’t blame Gaudreau for leaving town. It’ll be the same with Tkachuk next summer. Anyone with any ambition moves away from the Flames.

The Peters resignation was by legal design, not because they didn't want to make him look bad in the media or wanted to go easy on him, lol. A quick firing upon removing him from the position after allegations came out would have opened up a huge opportunity for lawsuits that most certainly would have come. Negotiating a carefully worded deal where he resigns took all that away and was 100% the correct professional move by the organization.

You honestly would have preferred the Flames either a) had to wait until they could prove the allegations against him before firing, which could have taken months, possibly years or b) Fired him and then opened themselevs up to a sure fire lawsuit? C'mon man, get real.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by browna

Those are completely speculative numbers. "No traction" is potentially misleading too..again I think decisions have been made and made a while ago so there's no issue to have traction on to have to worry about.

If he goes somewhere else my guess is the first few words out of Johnny's mouth was that the Flames were offering more but it wasn't at all about money or the City of Calgary or the Flames organization.

And if he stays, he will say it is because he was offered more to go elsewhere but chose Calgary for all sorts of reasons.

Yeah, that's good PR. Let's hope he says the latter!

I think $11M AAV gets it done.

Then BT is unleashed to makes other changes.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

7-Eleven does better background checks than the Flames did when they hired Bill Peters. It should also be pointed out that the Flames didn’t get rid of him. He was allowed to resign days after the story broke. Any other franchise would have fired him on the spot.

I’m implying that the Flames are run extremely unprofessionally, have demonstrated poor asset management repeatedly over the last eight years, and in short, are headed nowhere quick. I don’t blame Gaudreau for leaving town. It’ll be the same with Tkachuk next summer. Anyone with any ambition moves away from the Flames.

What background checks should the Flames have done to reveal the fact that Bill Peters, who had been employed by several teams, was a racist? Who precisely should they have talked to who would have offered up that information?

And the reason why there was a delay and he resigned was because you can't just fire someone in this world. The racist acts took place while he was NOT under the Flames employee. There were lawyers on both sides involved and agreement reached on how he would depart.

Your post is a misinformed joke.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What background checks should the Flames have done to reveal the fact that Bill Peters, who had been employed by several teams, was a racist? Who precisely should they have talked to who would have offered up that information?

And the reason why there was a delay and he resigned was because you can't just fire someone in this world. The racist acts took place while he was NOT under the Flames employee. There were lawyers on both sides involved and agreement reached on how he would depart.

Your post is a misinformed joke.

They could have spoken with any of the dozens of players and staff that came out after the scandal to report that they had heard him use the N-word repeatedly.