[Trade] Habs trade Shea Weber's contract to Vegas for Evgenii Dadonov

[blender]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Who puts Anaheim on their no-trade list but not Montreal?

Montreal is well known for its culture, nightlife, and diversity. It is a true world city.
Also the Habs are the most storied franchise in hockey history.
I get that there are also negatives, but I can certainly see why many players would want to play there.

[blender]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Here we go with this circular discussion again.

You mean in this thread, or all the other ones, lol?

[McG]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I assume a Weber is not moving to Vegas, so he’ll be taxed based on where he is living.

I don’t know about that. Would you live in Nevada for 6 months in a year but clear a million USD more? I would.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Are you sure anyone in the NHL actually understands the concept of precedent? DoPS certainly doesn't, nor do replay officials...




Which contract is that? Dadanov was signed by OTT and VGK acquired him last off-season...the AAV isn't particularly bad, it's the $6.5M in cash that makes Dadanov's deal unattractive.

its such a good contract they are paying millions of dollars to give it away

Its obviously a bad contract, they want to get rid of it and nobody wants it unless you pay

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They got out of a bad contract they just signed with zero hockey implications

As others have pointed out, they did not sign any contract with Dadonov.

Originally Posted by dino7c

except they paid no price at all, no hockey asset

Dadonov is the hockey asset. He was one of Vegas's best forwards down the stretch. They traded him ONLY because they went into the off-season already over the cap.

Originally Posted by dino7c

its such a good contract they are paying millions of dollars to give it away

That's what happens when you're over the cap and a lot of your most expensive players have NTCs or NMCs. It has nothing to do with the goodness or badness of the contract.

Its obviously a bad contract, they want to get rid of it and nobody wants it unless you pay

They didn't want to get rid of Dadonov's contract; they only had to. No GM is doing Vegas any favours after last season. They all smell blood, and Montreal got to the chum ahead of the other 30 sharks.

Dadonov has a career average of 0.64 PPG (last season: 0.55 PPG) and a cap hit of $5 million. That's not an untradeable contract for any other team. But Vegas is, as they like to say in the real estate business, a motivated seller, and nobody is giving them value for assets they are forced to unload.

[Boreal]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1537549695525994496

[activeStick]

Do we have to do this again

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by McG

I don’t know about that. Would you live in Nevada for 6 months in a year but clear a million USD more? I would.

He currently lives in Kelowna with his wife and 3 school aged kids.

So, he likely won't be moving.

And it's not just a question of moving for 6 months when kids are involved. He would need to establish residency there. Which means the likely would need to go to school there. Presumably they could spend summers back in Kelowna if they wanted.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Do we have to do this again

Go over how nhl players are taxed? Or how LTIR works on players who will never play again?

[activeStick]

Let's go, 'All of It' for $800, Alex

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by alan21

All of the Sheas and no shame.

Touchë

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

As others have pointed out, they did not sign any contract with Dadonov.



Dadonov is the hockey asset. He was one of Vegas's best forwards down the stretch. They traded him ONLY because they went into the off-season already over the cap.



That's what happens when you're over the cap and a lot of your most expensive players have NTCs or NMCs. It has nothing to do with the goodness or badness of the contract.



They didn't want to get rid of Dadonov's contract; they only had to. No GM is doing Vegas any favours after last season. They all smell blood, and Montreal got to the chum ahead of the other 30 sharks.

Dadonov has a career average of 0.64 PPG (last season: 0.55 PPG) and a cap hit of $5 million. That's not an untradeable contract for any other team. But Vegas is, as they like to say in the real estate business, a motivated seller, and nobody is giving them value for assets they are forced to unload.

It obviously is...if some team, especially in the east thought they could improve their team they would have paid a pick or even a minor league player. The fact that Vegas has to pay massive amounts of cash to get rid of him shows what teams think of the contract.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It obviously is...if some team, especially in the east thought they could improve their team they would have paid a pick or even a minor league player. The fact that Vegas has to pay massive amounts of cash to get rid of him shows what teams think of the contract.

Dadonov was never going to stay in Vegas after the circus at the last TDL. He played well for the team afterwards, but that was clearly just personal pride at that point. The entire league knew that Dadonov could be had at pennies on the dollar, because Vegas really screwed up on the botched Arizona trade.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It obviously is...if some team, especially in the east thought they could improve their team they would have paid a pick or even a minor league player. The fact that Vegas has to pay massive amounts of cash to get rid of him shows what teams think of the contract.

I think it was quite tradable with a 20% retention or so. But Vegas needed to trade the whole salary.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

It would be great if Weber after hearing the news of traded to Vegas , changed his mind and tried to comeback. I mean it would never happen but to see Vegas gm look if he heard Webber coming back would be priceless

I was thinking the same thing- that would be priceless lol. Suddenly got healthy and Vegas was in a worse cap hell.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It obviously is...if some team, especially in the east thought they could improve their team they would have paid a pick or even a minor league player. The fact that Vegas has to pay massive amounts of cash to get rid of him shows what teams think of the contract.

How does that solve Vegas’s problem? They’d get rid of the salary but not get any room to sign anyone.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It obviously is...if some team, especially in the east thought they could improve their team they would have paid a pick or even a minor league player.

Why pay them when you can make them pay you?

From most teams' point of view, Dadonov's contract isn't bad, but they are already saddled with bad contracts of their own.

I remind you for the 10,947th time, since the other 10,946 fell on deaf ears: More than half the teams in the NHL were over the salary cap this past season and needed LTIR to be compliant.

In relative terms, Dadonov's contract is not bad; scores are worse. In absolute terms, the only teams with the cap space to take it on have internal budgets and can't afford it. That cuts out most of the potential buyers and makes a perfect buyer's market for whoever is left.

Montreal is one of the three richest clubs in the league, and could easily afford to pay Dadonov if not for the cap. In a perfect buyer's market, they could dictate their terms, and their terms required Vegas to take back an even bigger amount of dead cap. The Habs could have found a way to put Dadonov on the payroll and keep Weber on LTIR, but it was cheaper and more effective for them to make Vegas take on the headache as the price of doing business.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Dadonov was never going to stay in Vegas after the circus at the last TDL. He played well for the team afterwards, but that was clearly just personal pride at that point. The entire league knew that Dadonov could be had at pennies on the dollar, because Vegas really screwed up on the botched Arizona trade.

Arizona trade? You mean Anaheim? Or did they have something in place to move him to the Yotes that I missed?

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It obviously is...if some team, especially in the east thought they could improve their team they would have paid a pick or even a minor league player. The fact that Vegas has to pay massive amounts of cash to get rid of him shows what teams think of the contract.

Well there's certainty too. The east teams with the salary cap (5M), budget (6.5M) and aren't on Dadonov's no-trade list are relatively limited. Those teams are also on the lookout for the UFA signings. Not likely looking at making the move until Gaudreau, Forsberg, Kadri and friends are signed. Certainly wouldn't give up assets before UFA period.

So maybe after July 13th if they hadn't had any luck, Dadonov starts looking prettier. We've all been there at closing time at the bars.

But Vegas opted for the certainty, so did Montreal.

Also Dadonov repicks his teams on July 1st, right? If Montreal gets added, and the teams that otherwise might have looked at Dadonov sign UFAs, then they could be in some trouble.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Boreal

https://twitter.com/user/status/1537549695525994496

However living in Canada, being paid in US funds gains him what.. 20%?