2022 Blue Jays Season Thread

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Dan02

You can't seriously be saying Tapia is nearly as good as that group are you?

Well Hernandez struggled after his injury for a 2 weeks but since then has hit in 14 of the last 15 games. Jansen has been hitting well for a catcher battling injuries.

But let's look at WAR.

Guerrero .......: 1.2
Jansen............:0.9
Chapman........:0.7
Hernandez......: 0.2
Tapia .............:-0.9

Tapia is below replacement level, he should be playing every 3rd or 4th game.

Tapia is 543/549 players in the league in WAR

Earlier this season - about a month ago - I said he was literally one of the worst players in the league . He continues to show it . By the end of the season he has a chance to put up one of the worst WAR seasons ever if he keep this type of playing time

Usually a player is benched or released by now (unless they are a rookie of a bad team )

(However anytime I rip on him he goes 2-4 with a steal or something so expect a good game today)

[KelVarnsen]

What a throw by Gabbo. Too bad Bo didn’t catch it

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Dan02

You can't seriously be saying Tapia is nearly as good as that group are you?

Well Hernandez struggled after his injury for a 2 weeks but since then has hit in 14 of the last 15 games. Jansen has been hitting well for a catcher battling injuries.

But let's look at WAR.

Guerrero .......: 1.2
Jansen............:0.9
Chapman........:0.7
Hernandez......: 0.2
Tapia .............:-0.9

Tapia is below replacement level, he should be playing every 3rd or 4th game.

You can't seriously think that's the point I was making, do you?

Nuance doesn't exist on the internet

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Tapia is 543/549 players in the league in WAR

Earlier this season - about a month ago - I said he was literally one of the worst players in the league . He continues to show it . By the end of the season he has a chance to put up one of the worst WAR seasons ever if he keep this type of playing time

Usually a player is benched or released by now (unless they are a rookie of a bad team )

(However anytime I rip on him he goes 2-4 with a steal or something so expect a good game today)

The only stats you have quoted are OPS and WAR. Both (especially OPS) are very heavily focused on power. And IMO, it is these stats that have been the genesis of the way the game has changed offensively - everything is about power now. Who cares about avg or speed or anything else.

Tapia is not a great hitter. But he does bring some things to the lineup. And he isn't the worst hitter in baseball (unless you want to look singularly at those two stats). Speed on the bases doesn't show up in stats, but it does add a dimension to the offense. And the Jays can use more left-handed hitters.

Anyway, that is the last I am going to say about him.

And I agree, despite the fact that he does bring speed and a left handed bat to the lineup, it is pretty ridiculous that he has more plate appearances than Kirk.

[GirlySports]

hey, another Tapia hit

[Jason14h]

Those are literally the two stats that the rest of the world uses to judge the offensive value and overall value of a player

I don’t mind having a player like Tapia on the team - he just isn’t good enough at anything to justify being in the lineup - ever

(And there he gets a hit - like I said - anytime I rip on him he does well )

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Those are literally the two stats that the rest of the world uses to judge the offensive value and overall value of a player

I don’t mind having a player like Tapia on the team - he just isn’t good enough at anything to justify being in the lineup - ever

(And there he gets a hit - like I said - anytime I rip on him he does well )

No, they are not THE two stats. They are two stats.

And again, the recent singular focus on those stats has changed the game and brought us to where we are now: home runs and strike outs I, for one, like small ball, base stealing, hit and runs...

[GirlySports]

Hey at least he's not Alfredo Griffin right?

My favorite Blue Jays story and stat was Alfredo Griffin in 1984 walked 4 times. Total! in 442 plate appearances. And made the all-star game

https://bluejayhunter.com/2018/07/fl...selection.html

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

What the heck was Biggio doing on that at bat? You're down two strikes and the only player who can possibly get to a bunt towards third is the pitcher. Why are you swinging?

Super frustrating. EDIT: Gets even worse when the Jays then get two guys at the top of their order on base with what might otherwise have been one out instead of two, and strand them.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

What the heck was Biggio doing on that at bat? You're down two strikes and the only player who can possibly get to a bunt towards third is the pitcher. Why are you swinging?

Super frustrating.

It looked like he was trying to go to the left side but literally can’t . He just can not do it

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No, they are not THE two stats. They are two stats.

And again, the recent singular focus on those stats has changed the game and brought us to where we are now: home runs and strike outs I, for one, like small ball, base stealing, hit and runs...

You can like that style if you want , but it doesn’t make you right for judging the value of a player -

Unless you are smarter then literally the rest of the baseball world

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

It looked like he was trying to go to the left side but literally can’t . He just can not do it

Again, he can if he bunts.

Arguably cost the Jays a run there considering how that inning ended up playing out.

[Jason14h]

It’s going to be one of these games for the Jays where hard hit balls go at people isn’t it

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Again, he can if he bunts.

Arguably cost the Jays a run there considering how that inning ended up playing out.

Well your assuming he can bunt ! Bunting actually isn’t as easy as it looks , especially to the opposite field . Straight down or dragging with you are a lot easier

I agree it looks like he should easily be able to do it - but clearly he cant !

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No, they are not THE two stats. They are two stats.

And again, the recent singular focus on those stats has changed the game and brought us to where we are now: home runs and strike outs I, for one, like small ball, base stealing, hit and runs...

You can like it all you want but with all the data we have now ‘small ball’ is correlated with one thing. Losing.

There are very few instances where playing small ball has a positive expectation on winning.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Well your assuming he can bunt ! Bunting actually isn’t as easy as it looks , especially to the opposite field . Straight down or dragging with you are a lot easier

I agree it looks like he should easily be able to do it - but clearly he cant !

You think so? I dunno, it seems to me that it's not very hard to bunt to the opposite field for an MLB hitter, it's just hard hard to do it effectively. Just about any regular MLB hitter should be able to put the ball toward third base with a bunt, the issue is whether you get it up in the air too much so it's an easy play for the fielder (or the catcher if you don't get it far enough out there), or if you put it on the ground too close and the catcher can get to it easily, or - most likely - send it foul.

In this case there was SO MUCH room that almost any bunt in that direction that didn't go foul would have been an effective bunt. He didn't have to do anything special with it. Maybe he would have popped it up too short and had an easy out for the catcher, but it would have had a much better chance of getting him to first than... that.

[Party Elephant]

Tigers must be afraid of Tapia if they're bringing in a fresh pitcher for him

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I’m all for aggressive base running but the ball was hit to left. Now 2 outs instead of 2 on and 1 out.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

You think so? I dunno, it seems to me that it's not very hard to bunt to the opposite field for an MLB hitter, it's just hard hard to do it effectively. Just about any regular MLB hitter should be able to put the ball toward third base with a bunt, the issue is whether you get it up in the air too much so it's an easy play for the fielder (or the catcher if you don't get it far enough out there), or if you put it on the ground too close and the catcher can get to it easily, or - most likely - send it foul.

In this case there was SO MUCH room that almost any bunt in that direction that didn't go foul would have been an effective bunt. He didn't have to do anything special with it. Maybe he would have popped it up too short and had an easy out for the catcher, but it would have had a much better chance of getting him to first than... that.

The other issue is with 2 strikes it’s an out if he doesn’t get it laid downs fair. He took your advice and tried it the next aB, didn’t work out for him.

[GirlySports]

Why is Biggio in the lineup if he can only be expected to bunt like old NL pitchers hitting. And failing.