Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

Thanks, what about potential sign and trade options along with other intangible reasons why either player may or may not sign with the flames

Opinions vary.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Opinions vary.

It depends on taxes.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Ah, misremembered. Knew it went right down to the wire but thought it fell on the other side of it.

I don’t remember if he ever got permission to talk to other teams…iirc STL was very interested


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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Landeskog signed the day before FA.

The Flames reportedly made a serious offer that gives Johnny more total money than any winger except Panarin and Kane got on their contracts. And neither of those contracts were market price IMO, based on contracts signed shortly thereafter. So IMO the parties are relatively close. It’ll get done.

It'll get done if Johnny wants to stay in Calgary.

They will offer him the most money because of the 8th year, no doubt in my mind.

The only question (in my mind) is will he want to play somewhere else for a little less money?

Or will curiosity get the better of him and cause him to wait until free agency opens to see what other offers there are, causing the 8th year option to disappear?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

Thanks, what about potential sign and trade options along with other intangible reasons why either player may or may not sign with the flames

You’re a toxic ass to suggest Johnny does anything but supplicate to the red laundry.


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It'll get done if Johnny wants to stay in Calgary.

They will offer him the most money because of the 8th year, no doubt in my mind.

The only question (in my mind) is will he want to play somewhere else for a little less money?

Or will curiosity get the better of him and cause him to wait until free agency opens to see what other offers there are, causing the 8th year option to disappear?

Money is king almost every time. The exceptions are few and far between that I can think of. Tavares is really the only one I can recall.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Money is king almost every time. The exceptions are few and far between that I can think of. Tavares is really the only one I can recall.

You're forcing me to bring up Panarin again eh?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Money is king almost every time. The exceptions are few and far between that I can think of. Tavares is really the only one I can recall.

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

You're forcing me to bring up Panarin again eh?

We also pretend like we know 100% everything that was offered, because things are “reported”. But we don’t have a clue.

It seems silly to pretend money is absolutely everything when people in middle class jobs don’t even think like that.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

You're forcing me to bring up Panarin again eh?

Following up on Scroopy, teams could have very good reasons to 'exaggerate' how close they were/how big their offers were.

Panarin has the 2nd highest AAV in the league...it's a pretty tough sell that he turned down significantly more money.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

It depends on taxes.

It has been talked a lot about. Taxes make a difference, but not as significant as many suggest. Athletes get taxed based on their residence. Meaning that where ever JG's legal home is is his tax rate for every game the Flames play on the road. It is only the games that played in canada he would have to play AB taxes.


Secondly, Atheletes are able to effectively defer lots of their income until after retirement. I cant remember what they're called.


TLDR/ taxes impact how much money players take home based on location, but not as much as you would imagine.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

It has been talked a lot about. Taxes make a difference, but not as significant as many suggest. Athletes get taxed based on their residence. Meaning that where ever JG's legal home is is his tax rate for every game the Flames play on the road. It is only the games that played in canada he would have to play AB taxes.


Secondly, Atheletes are able to effectively defer lots of their income until after retirement. I cant remember what they're called.


TLDR/ taxes impact how much money players take home based on location, but not as much as you would imagine.

The only teams with big tax advantages to Calgary are Vegas, Dallas, Nashville, Florida, Tampa, and Seattle. The rest are within 3% of Calgary.

[Erick Estrada]

Man I hope this deal gets done soon as we are back to the same old recycled conversations on why he will or won't re-sign now with the added spice of a silly sign and trade debate. There's really not more that can be said at this point that hasn't been said numerous times over the years as he's either going to re-sign or he's not. That's really all we know at this point.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Man I hope this deal gets done soon as we are back to the same old recycled conversations on why he will or won't re-sign now with the added spice of a silly sign and trade debate. There's really not more that can be said at this point that hasn't been said numerous times over the years as he's either going to re-sign or he's not. That's really all we know at this point.

Bud don't worry, if/when he signs they'll be a thread or two made. No need to come into this one at all if you don't want to play pretend GM.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Bud don't worry, if/when he signs they'll be a thread or two made. No need to come into this one at all if you don't want to play pretend GM.

I have already played my pretend GM cards. There's only so much redundancy a conversation can have before things become silly. Let's talk about taxe advantages for the 100th time.....

[Moneyhands23]

I think my panic date or time to be concerned date is June 24th. If the contract takes more than 3 weeks to figure out its not a great sign.

Saying that I think it's done and signed by next Friday

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have already played my pretend GM cards. There's only so much redundancy a conversation can have before things become silly. Let's talk about taxe advantages for the 100th time.....

OK...you guys wanna just talk about Israel or something then?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

OK...you guys wanna just talk about Israel or something then?

You just keep being you. I'll revert to periodically dropping in, navigating through the endless back and forth in hopes of seeing another juicy rumor or insider news related to the topic.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I fear that I have made a very, very bitter mistake. I urge everyone to take my edit seriously. If I could delete two pages worth of thread I would.

PM a mod.. they'll take care of it.

[Strange Brew]

Remember the state of residence is only one factor in taxes. In the US you pay based on where you earn the money. So playing games in Cali and NY subjects you to their non-resident state income taxes for that portion of your income earned in that state.

It reduces the benefit of playing in a no income tax state because chances are you are also paying more in property taxes.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

PM a mod.. they'll take care of it.

I do a LOT of thread skimming because it's mostly the same convo rehashed over and over....what the hell did I miss here?