[News] Patrice Bergeron wins Selke - Lindholm 2nd

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by BeltlineFan

Both Jim Matheson and Mark Spector gave first place votes to Lindholm, I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

"See, I'm not petty!"

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by getbak

Snot Boy was the only Oiler to get a single vote -- tied with Gaudreau and Tkachuk (who were the third and fourth-ranked Flames).

That’s not two way play! It doesn’t count as backcheck when he just hasn’t gotten up the ice yet.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by BeltlineFan

Both Jim Matheson and Mark Spector gave first place votes to Lindholm, I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

Is there a link to these vote breakdowns?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by snuffleupagus

is there a link to these vote breakdowns?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1533527364629676032

[JohnnyB]

This award could easily be renamed as the Bergeron trophy.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

This award could easily be renamed as the Bergeron trophy.

In a way, I'm surprised he didn't win more than he has.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Honestly, Matthews got robbed here; could have easily been top 3, definitely should have been top 5. Same is arguably true of Brad Marchand, but there at least you understand that people didn't want to vote for two guys on the same line... Anyway. Too much "reputation" voting as always. Obviously I'm assuming that the normal "best two way forward" standard is being applied as opposed to people voting for a defensive specialist alone.

But anyway, the right guy won, so whatever.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Honestly, Matthews got robbed here; could have easily been top 3, definitely should have been top 5. Same is arguably true of Brad Marchand, but there at least you understand that people didn't want to vote for two guys on the same line... Anyway. Too much "reputation" voting as always. Obviously I'm assuming that the normal "best two way forward" standard is being applied as opposed to people voting for a defensive specialist alone.

But anyway, the right guy won, so whatever.

Who in the top 5 isn't as deserving?

[Ashasx]

As much as I agree that Matthews had an unbelievably strong year defensively - you can't win this award if you don't kill penalties.

[ricardodw]

After the playoffs Lindholm would come in 4th place on the Flames after Backlund, Coleman and Mangiapane.

[Enoch Root]

lol

good to have you back, ricardodw - shame you missed the playoffs

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’m dumbfounded by a vote for Frankenberry. Surely even Oiler homers can find a better two way player on that team.

Frankenbooger is a two-way player. He has two nostrils.

[Philly06Cup]

I still hate how this gets awarded.

Bergeron is elite at keeping play in the offensive zone -- that is different than being a defensive stud. He plays with two other superstars; he starts in the offensive zone 60% of the time -- it's a lot easier to suppress the other's team play under those circumstances.

On his team, Nosek, Coyle, Craig Smith are the guys who get more of the tough defensive assignments and defensive zone starts. They play those tougher minutes so that Bergeron's line can destroy on the offensive end. These are the kinds of guys who should be recognized.


Quick Flames aside: As seen in the playoffs, Darryl actually uses Lindholm / Gaudreau / Tkachuk as the Flames' top shutdown line -- he would put them out for a large portion of defensive zone draws against McDrai. I would want him to learn from the Boston model and use lines 2-4 in the defensive end, and save the top line for easier offensive minutes.

[Locke]

"How many Twix Selkes does that make for you now??"

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

lol

good to have you back, ricardodw - shame you missed the playoffs

most of the season too...wonder why

bOtToM 5 tEaM