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Iceman90 · 05-30-2022, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

If Gaudreau doesn't sign next year, does he move to left wing on the first line if we have no other options?

If Gaudreau doesn't re-sign, I think it is fair to assume the team would use that money to find another first line player to try and fill his role (someone new on one wing or the other). Tkachuk could move back to LW and the team signs a RW, or vice versa.

But if that doesn't happen then I assume Tkachuck slides to LW and Toffoli is promoted to RW1.

Vinny01 · 05-31-2022, 08:12 AM

I believe with the Rangers win last night the Flames pick going to the Habs is locked in at 24th overall

Bingo · 05-31-2022, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

I believe with the Rangers win last night the Flames pick going to the Habs is locked in at 24th overall

I've seen it at 26th a couple of times this morning.

Vinny01 · 05-31-2022, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I've seen it at 26th a couple of times this morning.

32- Tampa*
31- Avs*
30- Rangers*
29- Oilers*
28- Panthers
27- Carolina
26- Toronto
25- Wild
24- Habs (Flames)

*subject to change based on how the next 2 rounds go

Unless the Flames winning the division puts them ahead of the Wild and Leafs I think they would be at 24.

Bingo · 05-31-2022, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

32- Tampa*
31- Avs*
30- Rangers*
29- Oilers*
28- Panthers
27- Carolina
26- Toronto
25- Wild
24- Habs (Flames)

*subject to change based on how the next 2 rounds go

Unless the Flames winning the division puts them ahead of the Wild and Leafs I think they would be at 24.

Here's the NHL.com article saying 26

https://www.nhl.com/news/2022-nhl-dr...ks/c-334391724

Ashasx · 05-31-2022, 09:55 AM

Locked in at 26 because they won the division. Toronto, Minnesota, did not. The teams in round 3 draft 29, 30, 31, and 32.

traptor · 05-31-2022, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceman90

If Gaudreau doesn't re-sign, I think it is fair to assume the team would use that money to find another first line player to try and fill his role (someone new on one wing or the other). Tkachuk could move back to LW and the team signs a RW, or vice versa.

But if that doesn't happen then I assume Tkachuck slides to LW and Toffoli is promoted to RW1.

Might be the slowest first line in the league. Don't love the look of that line.

Erick Estrada · 05-31-2022, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by traptor

Might be the slowest first line in the league. Don't love the look of that line.

The molasses line.

Mathgod · 05-31-2022, 01:34 PM

If one of Johnny or Chucky isn't back next year, any chance Mang gets a serious look at first line wing?

dino7c · 05-31-2022, 01:44 PM

Toffoli played into July last season...hopefully he can get in "Flames shape" this summer and have a great season

Hot_Flatus · 05-31-2022, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman90

If Gaudreau doesn't re-sign, I think it is fair to assume the team would use that money to find another first line player to try and fill his role (someone new on one wing or the other). Tkachuk could move back to LW and the team signs a RW, or vice versa.

But if that doesn't happen then I assume Tkachuck slides to LW and Toffoli is promoted to RW1.

Who are they finding to fill that role if it's vacant? The team won't be able to do it for 7M on the FA market (at least for anyone worthwhile). If Gaudreau leaves, this team is entering a seriously bad spot.

activeStick · 05-31-2022, 02:29 PM

Even this season's top line was far from speedy. Johnny is shifty, but not fast really (though the fastest of the three). Lindholm is not fast, but not slow. Tkachuk is slow. Their slowness didn't bother them from being the best line in the league.

GordonBlue · 05-31-2022, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by activeStick

Even this season's top line was far from speedy. Johnny is shifty, but not fast really (though the fastest of the three). Lindholm is not fast, but not slow. Tkachuk is slow. Their slowness didn't bother them from being the best line in the league.**

** in the regular season.
They seemed to not have a higher gear for the playoffs.

dino7c · 05-31-2022, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonBlue

** in the regular season.
They seemed to not have a higher gear for the playoffs.

over PPG in the playoffs is pretty good TBH

same range as Kucherov/Stamkos ect...team scored enough goals

Erick Estrada · 05-31-2022, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonBlue

** in the regular season.
They seemed to not have a higher gear for the playoffs.

Ask the Panthers if regular season recipe guarantees playoff success. In the regular season you are playing different teams every night that aren't doing a lot of preparation specifically for your team. In the playoffs teams are totally focussed on taking away what their opponent does well. It's a lot easier to reduce the effectiveness of slow players than it is to slow down fast players. Flames had no answer for the speed of the Oilers but the Oilers below average blue line had all the answers for Toffoli and Tkachuk.

Classic_Sniper · 05-31-2022, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by activeStick

Even this season's top line was far from speedy. Johnny is shifty, but not fast really (though the fastest of the three). Lindholm is not fast, but not slow. Tkachuk is slow. Their slowness didn't bother them from being the best line in the league.

I think the structure of their forecheck gives them the ability to forecheck effectively, so that helped. This team's work ethic is also second to none. But speed and size seems to be magnified in the playoffs and everybody works hard, so maybe the work ethic advantage now becomes neutralized.

Gaudreau and Lindholm can sill hold their own in the checking department, but Tkachuk especially struggled. Not sure how he ever fixes his playoff flaws as they may be too great to overcome.

ForeverFlameFan · 05-31-2022, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

If one of Johnny or Chucky isn't back next year, any chance Mang gets a serious look at first line wing?

Probably, we wouldn’t really have a choice. Can’t afford to lose all 3.

Classic_Sniper · 05-31-2022, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

If one of Johnny or Chucky isn't back next year, any chance Mang gets a serious look at first line wing?

If Tkachuk goes for whatever, I've always thought Mangiapane would be the best guy to fill Chucky's shoes. Left handed shot, great checker, can hold on to pucks, strong along the boards, good vision, excellent nose for net and finishing ability.

I think Bread would be great on a line with Lindholm and Gaudreau. Problem is, it leaves Backlund without Mangiapane and I think it would be hard to find a guy who suits Backlund's game as well as Mangiapane. So it's kind of like, plug one leak and another springs somewhere else.

GioforPM · 06-01-2022, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

over PPG in the playoffs is pretty good TBH

same range as Kucherov/Stamkos ect...team scored enough goals

I really think you have to somewhat discount the stats from game one of Oilers-Flames though.

Moneyhands23 · 06-01-2022, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

If Tkachuk goes for whatever, I've always thought Mangiapane would be the best guy to fill Chucky's shoes. Left handed shot, great checker, can hold on to pucks, strong along the boards, good vision, excellent nose for net and finishing ability.

I think Bread would be great on a line with Lindholm and Gaudreau. Problem is, it leaves Backlund without Mangiapane and I think it would be hard to find a guy who suits Backlund's game as well as Mangiapane. So it's kind of like, plug one leak and another springs somewhere else.

Pelletier Backlund Coleman

That's the 2nd line