I hate to be a pedant because I am on your side, but no one owns fully auto weapons in the USA. Only the military and special police units.
Semi-auto weapons are the problem in the USA (one trigger pull = one bullet). Lots of people would argue semi-auto is more deadly than full auto, as full auto typically just sprays everywhere and are hard to control for most people. Hence why only the military uses them for assaults on enemy positions.
It helps your argument to know the difference.
You may recall the bump stock debate that happened around the Vegas shooting wherein a mod can be made for semi-auto rifles that essentially turns them into a full-auto version. Of course, Republicans did not want to ban bump stocks either. Freedumbs.
Thanks, to be honest, I do not know the difference.
I think you're being a bit unfair in your characterization of the bill - closing loopholes is a big deal. Legislation with loopholes is what's toothless. Closing them gives it teeth.
well, I suppose its a question that was more described under the lens of the tragedy that inspired it...
Those parents of Sandy Hook had expected a lot more than closing a loophole... they had hoped for an actual AR ban... like the one that expired with the Brady Bill.
Closing a loophole wasn't the goal; but it was expected to be achievable. In the end it wasn't.
I'll be a pedant as well because that is inaccurate. Depending on the state there are licenses and permits to own fully automatic weapons as individuals or some as gunsmiths/dealers and you can also own a grandfathered receiver that is pre-1986.
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There are more than 630,000 of these guns in circulation, according to federal data.
I'll be a pedant as well because that is inaccurate. Depending on the state there are licenses and permits to own fully automatic weapons as individuals or some as gunsmiths/dealers and you can also own a grandfathered receiver that is pre-1986.
That is eye opening. I thought there were only an extremely low number of fully auto arms in the USA, and that most were of the controlled nature I.e.: owned and operated only at gun ranges etc.
Still, there are hundreds of millions of semi auto weapons in circulation and it doesn’t change the fact that semi auto is the biggest problem in the USA.
You are adding layers that are not part of the discussion. To be clear, to use violence to achieve a political means is wrong.
The Ukrainians are acting in self defense, as were the allies in WWII. The aggressors were wrong in both cases.
The line you're drawing isn't as clear as you think it is. Independance from the UK was a political cause. Abolition of slavery was a political cause. And let's be clear - pro-gun politicians, donors are a threat to the security of every American. Citizens' rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are all diminished by the presence of guns. Thus, pro-gun leaders can be reasonably viewed as aggressors against the American populace, and thus, actions against those leaders could in fact be aimed at protecting oneself (and others).
The second amendment itself is purportedly in place to enable the populace to challenge a tyrannical government through armed violence, and ironically the government's refusal to enact gun control measures, even those that have broad support, could be construed as tyrannical. If violence to achieve political aims is wrong then the second amendment serves no purpose and should be repealed.
To be clear, I don't condone slaughtering Republican politicians, but my reasons are different from yours. I think violence to achieve political aims has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, and in this case, one would have to become the very thing they seek to prevent - it would be self-defeating.
new legislation to cap the number of handguns (prices are going to spike now that supply is capped), force long gun magazine restrictions, and buy back assault type weapons put forth by the Liberals.
Now being in Alberta, I know many people (smart, educated, professionals) that are pro-gun and hate this & Trudeau. Their mantra is always that crimes are committed by smuggled and black market weapons etc... but I can't help but notice that in almost every major mass shooting in the US in the last 5 years that I can remember, the story was always that the weapons were legally purchased by the perpetrators.
but I can't help but notice that in almost every major mass shooting in the US in the last 5 years that I can remember, the story was always that the weapons were legally purchased by the perpetrators.
Well yeah, it's way easier to legally buy a gun there than it is here. You can't compare the two
Well yeah, it's way easier to legally buy a gun there than it is here. You can't compare the two
I don't think his point was to compare the two. I think the point is that making it that much harder to purchase legal handguns in Canada is another step in making it that much harder for random guy who snapped, to carry out a crime with a handgun in Canada.
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I think you raise an interesting question. I believe that we as Canadians do not fully understand the American tie to the 2nd amendment. This seems a simple change to us, but seems so fundamental to them.
Money does run things it is true, but you still need to get re-elected and the populace in the US would not re-elect anyone that goes against what they see as their fundamental rights.
My thoughts
Individual Americans have had a legally recognized constitutional right as individuals to have guns since 2008. Before that they had to be part of a well regulated militia to exercise such a right. When the SCOTUS by a vote of 5-4 said individuals have that right, reversing multi generational precedent somehow folks thought they always had that right, which they did not.
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Well yeah, it's way easier to legally buy a gun there than it is here. You can't compare the two
You don't have to compare them, you just make it harder and harder to legally own and purchase firearms here, which statistically leads to less crime in any country that does so.
I haven't liked much about our current federal government, but I was happy to read about this today.
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Damn it. That was hard to watch. Our kids are doing these drills in schools up here. Think of what that's doing to them. They're tougher than we give them credit for. When they shouldn't have to be.
We're a visual species. What actually happens during a school shooting remains somewhat of an abstract idea until you see images of what the kids have to do to prepare. Someone mentioned the idea earlier in the thread of releasing images of the dead bodies of little children in brightly coloured classrooms. I don't think anybody is ready (or probably willing) to do that, but christ, that would surely change minds.
We're a visual species. What actually happens during a school shooting remains somewhat of an abstract idea until you see images of what the kids have to do to prepare. Someone mentioned the idea earlier in the thread of releasing images of the dead bodies of little children in brightly coloured classrooms. I don't think anybody is ready (or probably willing) to do that, but christ, that would surely change minds.
Sadly, it really wouldn't. Americans have chosen freedom over all else.
I believe I read that it was all the interns and young employees that lead the way with regard to what to do during the January 6th insurrection, as they grew up in schools preparing for an active shooter situation.
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Sadly, it really wouldn't. Americans have chosen freedom over all else.
There is no freedom, there's no political freedom, the US is far less politically free than most western democracies and always has been if you aren't white, and unlike other countries they live in a tyranny of fear, that aint freedom.
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There is no freedom, there's no political freedom, the US is far less politically free than most western democracies and always has been if you aren't white, and unlike other countries they live in a tyranny of fear, that aint freedom.
I said they chose freedom, I didn't say they got it.
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