[PGT] Flames lose in OT: Season Over

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This is all that matters in the end.

The prideful organization/fans that mocked the Oilers for rebuilding through the top of the draft just got smoked by the Oilers because they built through the top of the draft. I remember how smug Feaster/Burke/Treliving were during STH sessions about how Edmonton was building their team...well, here we are.

Pride comes before the fall, and this organization has fallen and it has proven it is not championship quality.

They lucked out and won McDavid in 2015, this is not news, and if that hadn't happened they probably aren't even in the playoffs this season, never mind the Conference Finals.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

yikes, i watched the replay again and you are right. i think johnny should ahve went right at drai, or at least stayed between the puck and the net, instead his opted to go over top of drai trying to pick a pass to the d.......

Soft.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This is all that matters in the end.

The prideful organization/fans that mocked the Oilers for rebuilding through the top of the draft just got smoked by the Oilers because they built through the top of the draft. I remember how smug Feaster/Burke/Treliving were during STH sessions about how Edmonton was building their team...well, here we are.

Pride comes before the fall, and this organization has fallen and it has proven it is not championship quality.

Let's not pretend this is some master plan by Kevin Lowe et al. They stumbled into this one. And they aren't built through the draft beyond 4-5 key players, just like Calgary.

[Burning Beard]

Sutter said a couple of times that our best player and superstar is Markstrom. In that case you really see what he means when he says that "the best player won the series"

The D didn't play great, and the forwards didn't help out a ton but doesn't that sound like what Markstrom played behind in Vancouver for years? I'm still surprised he struggled so mightily against the Oilers.

[Ashasx]

Freeway had a good breakdown of the OT goal last night

https://twitter.com/user/status/1530239224900857857

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

They lucked out and won McDavid in 2015, this is not news, and if that hadn't happened they probably aren't even in the playoffs this season, never mind the Conference Finals.

Without Kane they miss the playoffs let alone McDavid


Now that they are out of the Pacific bracket we will see how far the Oilers have actually come

[SuperMatt18]

Every Pacific division team that isn't Edmonton or San Jose should be pissed about how the NHL handled the Kane situation.

They allow his contract to be terminated by San Jose without repurcussions...which gets San Jose out of some of their cap hell.

They don't actually punish Kane for the supposed actions, and allow him to sign with another team. Even though his actions were supposedly were bad enough to terminate the contract.

Then he can sign a cheap deal with Edmonton to bolster their team.

Calgary, Vancouver, Vegas, LA, and Anaheim should all be livid with how that worked out this season.

Once again the NHL showing they have different rules/repercussions for different teams.

[Rollin22x]

This game reminded me so much of the 80s. Tell me if I misremember.
Gretzky cherry picked a lot from the opposition blue line and it looked like this team took a page right out of that book. A lot of those icings were meant to be negated by the forward that was just hanging around our blue line. Dallas had a similar approach with flipping the puck high and out while hoping they would catch the bounce.
I can't believe how shaky Kylington looked during this whole series.
For his size, I don't think Hanafin could knock even their smallest payers off the puck. He really lacked any intensity or urgency.
Pretty sad when Tanev looks like your best defender and he's as injured as he is.
For the most part, this was a fun game to watch. I was hoping other players would pick up on Backlund's effort.

The reason there was an Oilers Suck chant going on was because there were a lot more Oilers fans there and they had a pretty strong Let's Go Oilers chant going. Hard to change the Oilers Suck chant once it started

[Shazam]

Fear. A lot of fear on the part of Flames players. The pressure was too much.

They'll learn from this experience.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

They lucked out and won McDavid in 2015, this is not news, and if that hadn't happened they probably aren't even in the playoffs this season, never mind the Conference Finals.

I'm kind of sick this excuse around these parts. If the lockout hadn't happened, then the Pens may not have won the 2005 lottery either.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

There's no such thing as a perfectly accurate model. They're based on long-term averages and there's a lot of noise within each bucket. Over a long enough sample, you expect it to average out, but in short samples it's very easy to have more dangerous-than-average chances within each bucket.



McDavid's OT goal was only worth 0.03 expected goals, according to Moneypuck. So based on that, we could give up this shot 30 times and only expect 1 goal against.


I don't know about you, but if I had to be money on that I'd expect a lot more than 1 goal even if we had Dominik Hasek in net.

An unobstructed shot from the top of the cirlcle?

Sorry, but that should be stopped 30 times out of 31. If you "should" score from there, wouldn't you see it in shoot-outs? lol

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

It translates into Markstrom giving up like 7 goals more than he should have vs Smith giving up like an additional 2.

5 goal swing in a 5 game series.

If Markstrom matches Smith we are still playing.

Although Smith had a goal called back that should clearly have counted, so there is that.

Yep, those numbers look about right.

In the end, this series came down to games 2, 4 and 5 with each team having a stinker on the road. So in 3 very competitive games where Markstrom could’ve made a big difference, he was well below average. He gave up quite a few that an elite goaltender, that he’s paid to be by the way, would’ve been able to fight off.

I’ll admit the Flames skaters were outplayed in this series, but it’s not like the team was asking him to be Jake Oettinger here. He just needed to be better than what he was. He gave the Flames league minimum goaltending at a $6M price tag. If he did cost the team league minimum, than at the very least, the Flames could’ve added better skaters around him like the Oilers did for Smith. I mean if it was Zach Hyman playing the for the Flames instead of the Oilers, maybe this series goes the Flames‘ way.


The worst part was probably the energy zap. Like I said earlier, bad goaltending has the ability to zap the strength out of your team and it looked like the Flames felt that they never had a chance to win. In games 4 and 7 with the season teetering vs Dallas, you could see the fight the Flames had. In a similar situation against the Oilers, games 4 and 5, the team looked defeated. Luckily for the Oilers, they already went through this adversity earlier in the season, so they just trucked along even with Smith’s bad goals.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Every Pacific division team that isn't Edmonton or San Jose should be pissed about how the NHL handled the Kane situation.

They allow his contract to be terminated by San Jose without repurcussions...which gets San Jose out of some of their cap hell.

They don't actually punish Kane for the supposed actions, and allow him to sign with another team. Even though his actions were supposedly were bad enough to terminate the contract.

Then he can sign a cheap deal with Edmonton to bolster their team.

Calgary, Vancouver, Vegas, LA, and Anaheim should all be livid with how that worked out this season.

Once again the NHL showing they have different rules/repercussions for different teams.

And they dragged their feet dealing with Kane's grievance. Why not just hear it out in one week and move on.

In the middle of summer they will quietly release that Kane had a valid contract with San Jose that could not be unilaterally terminated. San Jose will pay Kane the full value of his contract , but somehow only suffer a minor cap hit (Mike Richards style).

The Oilers get another freebie in an never ending line of freebies.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We can question this or that or whatever but at the end of the day the difference in the series was McDavid and Draisaitl.

We don’t have talent on that level, and won’t have talent on that level without drafting where the Oilers drafted - 1st and 3rd overall. It’s just very simple - the better talent won out.

Flames did their best with the tools they had. Management bolstered the roster nicely, and had a clear plan right from last summer - and it worked. Sutter maximized every drop of sweat from his players. We had killer individual performances from everyone on the roster.

…and none of that matters at the end of the day if the goal is to win the Stanley Cup. The Flames do not have the foundation required to do so. We just bumped up against the reality of winning in the NHL. That’s it, that’s all.

If our goalie didn't come up an 852 save percentage - its a closer series. Yes - they have better talent and yes they out played the Flames in the series - but the NHL isn't the NBA and the best talent doesn't always win (see the Oilers every year until this year).

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Thanks for the glib non-answer.

I literally translated the percentages into the impact on goals, in numbers. Not sure how that is glib. You are the one discounting a system you don't appear to care to understand and go by the "feels" you get from the plays you remember.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Every Pacific division team that isn't Edmonton or San Jose should be pissed about how the NHL handled the Kane situation.

They allow his contract to be terminated by San Jose without repurcussions...which gets San Jose out of some of their cap hell.

They don't actually punish Kane for the supposed actions, and allow him to sign with another team. Even though his actions were supposedly were bad enough to terminate the contract.

Then he can sign a cheap deal with Edmonton to bolster their team.

Calgary, Vancouver, Vegas, LA, and Anaheim should all be livid with how that worked out this season.

Once again the NHL showing they have different rules/repercussions for different teams.

Bang on.

NHL gonna NHL

At least they are getting more prime time for their goldenboy

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We can question this or that or whatever but at the end of the day the difference in the series was McDavid and Draisaitl.

We don’t have talent on that level, and won’t have talent on that level without drafting where the Oilers drafted - 1st and 3rd overall. It’s just very simple - the better talent won out.

Flames did their best with the tools they had. Management bolstered the roster nicely, and had a clear plan right from last summer - and it worked. Sutter maximized every drop of sweat from his players. We had killer individual performances from everyone on the roster.

…and none of that matters at the end of the day if the goal is to win the Stanley Cup. The Flames do not have the foundation required to do so. We just bumped up against the reality of winning in the NHL. That’s it, that’s all.

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This is all that matters in the end.

The prideful organization/fans that mocked the Oilers for rebuilding through the top of the draft just got smoked by the Oilers because they built through the top of the draft. I remember how smug Feaster/Burke/Treliving were during STH sessions about how Edmonton was building their team...well, here we are.

Pride comes before the fall, and this organization has fallen and it has proven it is not championship quality.

“Pride comes before the fall.”

Man, these are deeply cringe posts. Get it together.

It’s one playoff series. One year. The Oilers aren’t some immovable object. They made it to the conference finals on the back of our uncharacteristically ####ty play. If you want to go full nihilism and convince yourself that the Flames built the best team they could possibly build given a lack of a top 3 pick and we were simply met with “the reality of winning in the NHL” then I don’t even know what to say.

If the Flames had played to their potential, as in, the way we’ve seen them play against contenders before, they win the series. They didn’t. They lost.

Make some tweaks, come back next year, and we go for it again. Oilers are strictly as good as they are because they have Kane and Hyman. When it was just the McDrai show, it was pretty phenomenally ####ty viewing. Glamour picks don’t mean #### if you can’t build a good team, and you can build a good team without them.

[SuperMatt18]

Also McDavid and Draisaitl were great this series...but also very lucky.

McDavid:
Corsi For: 48.1% (90-97)
Shots For: 47.8% (55-60)
Scoring Chance: 49.5%(48-49)
High Danger: 51.3% (20-19)
Expected Goals: 50.47% (4.92 - 4.82)

Goals: 73.7% (14 - 5)

14 Goals For on an expected goals for of 5. That is ridiculous. Oilers shot 25.5% with him on the ice this series (or Flames had a .745 save percentage).

Just ridiculous how every chance the Oilers stars had went in the net.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We can question this or that or whatever but at the end of the day the difference in the series was McDavid and Draisaitl.

We don’t have talent on that level, and won’t have talent on that level without drafting where the Oilers drafted - 1st and 3rd overall. It’s just very simple - the better talent won out.

Flames did their best with the tools they had. Management bolstered the roster nicely, and had a clear plan right from last summer - and it worked. Sutter maximized every drop of sweat from his players. We had killer individual performances from everyone on the roster.

…and none of that matters at the end of the day if the goal is to win the Stanley Cup. The Flames do not have the foundation required to do so. We just bumped up against the reality of winning in the NHL. That’s it, that’s all.

Hyman and Kane also showed up while our acquisitions this season in Toffoli and Jarnkrok didn't come through as much as we needed.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Freeway had a good breakdown of the OT goal last night

https://twitter.com/user/status/1530239224900857857

Be interested to hear what he thinks Lindholm is supposed to be doing and how he is supposed to respond. Seems McDavid left him on the boards behind the play