[PGT] Flames lose 4-2, trail series 2-1

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by vilzeh

I’ve been waking up 5am twice and 4.30 am once to see this unfold. I’m so tired, and I’m done if they lose the series, so done.


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Yup I’m losing sleep too and this is affecting my well being. Covid and Putin have wrecked the world.

And I’m tired of the arena debate and how many tens millions “we” have to pay two guys I’ve never met personally.

I’m too old to let things like this get to me yet I can’t find the strength. So unfortunately I think I’m done with the NHL at the end of this round.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Sure. But of all the things that went wrong tonight, that’s what you say? The middle six is getting dominated. Toffoli is terrible. So is Backland.

I trust Sutter and have to believe he knows what he is doing motivation wise. It was just surprising to me that he chose to call Johnny out. All I’m saying. He’s not the issue here.

I think he called out Johnny to motivate those around him.

[tvp2003]

Agree that Sutter was just stating a fact, not trying to throw the player under the bus.

I didn’t have a problem with Johnny’s play tonight, or Lindholm for that matter. It’s disappointing that our powerplay has gone like 0-10 since the early Game 1 goal, but even then it’s not like Johnny takes all the blame. Tkachuk has been the most disappointing for me, but there are plenty of others who need to step it up.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Sure

$100 says Gaudreau makes 9M+ next season

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

You want consistency. Even if they win you can't undo the last week

Yes, the last week was a nail in the coffin, even if they win the series. You have a strong point there.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I don’t think Sutter was calling him out. He was just stating a fact. Johnny is paid to score goals. He had a chance to change the game by scoring and he failed. We needed him to score there.

What part of that isn’t true? It’s not overly harsh, it’s just reality.

Breakaways only succeed about 1/3 of the time. It’s not an automatic goal.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Sure. But of all the things that went wrong tonight, that’s what you say? The middle six is getting dominated. Toffoli is terrible. So is Backland.

I trust Sutter and have to believe he knows what he is doing motivation wise. It was just surprising to me that he chose to call Johnny out. All I’m saying. He’s not the issue here.

Yes he is, 110%. Sutter nailed it by calling him out.

Aside from not scoring though, gotta elevate play on playoffs and get intense. Gotta start playing hard.

I think we already know what Gaudreau is, we have seen him do this for years. Shrinks, afraid and can’t play intense in playoffs. The thought of him going to dirty areas or blocking a shot is laughable. Gaudreau can’t or won’t do it, like Monahan.

Gaudreau should absolutely be called out, and we needed him to score there not wilt away and be meek. He scored a billion points in the playoffs and had a breakaway against a rookie, he should be more
Confident and put that in the ####in net. Ffs, you’re Johnny Gaudreau. Stop being so scared, it’s pathetic.

It is also not a size thing, as Mangiapane did it tonight more or less. Johnny can’t or won’t though. It’s button hooks and perimeter play and self doubt. That’s what Johnny is in the playoffs and why it’s so damn ridiculous when he gets 115 pts in the season. Where does his confidence go?

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

$100 says Gaudreau makes 9M+ next season

I think you'd have to go higher for a bet like that. like 10M

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by dino7c

$100 says Gaudreau makes 9M+ next season

I would put it at a 30 percent chance he makes less than 9. And a 20 percent chance he makes more than 10.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

You want consistency. Even if they win you can't undo the last week

Wut? It’s the playoffs. They are one goal games in this series. What are your thoughts on the two time defending champ bolts? Blown out in two games.

Flames win Monday and have home ice. Winning is hard in the playoffs.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I think you'd have to go higher $ for a bet like that

He said no GM is gonna give him big money...because he only has 2 points on his team's 3 goals in round one

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

The reality is I don't think most owners care about playoff success when your teams raking in the bigmoney having a top team In the regular season for 82 games.

That’s a weird take considering owners want playoff success because that means extra home dates. The “big money” as you put it would be in the playoffs where you can get upwards of 16 extra sold out home games at premium pricing. That’s what the owners want.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I would put it at a 30 percent chance he makes less than 9. And a 20 percent chance he makes more than 10.

You are the on that said no GM will give him the money he wants...they will

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yes he is, 110%. Sutter nailed it by calling him out.

Aside from not scoring though, gotta elevate play on playoffs and get intense. Gotta start playing hard.

I think we already know what Gaudreau is, we have seen him do this for years. Shrinks, afraid and can’t play intense in playoffs. The thought of him going to dirty areas or blocking a shot is laughable. Gaudreau can’t or won’t do it, like Monahan.

Gaudreau should absolutely be called out, and we needed him to score there not wilt away and be meek. He scored a billion points in the playoffs and had a breakaway against a rookie, he should be more
Confident and put that in the ####in net. Ffs, you’re Johnny Gaudreau. Stop being so scared, it’s pathetic.

It is also not a size thing, as Mangiapane did it tonight more or less. Johnny can’t or won’t though. It’s button hooks and perimeter play and self doubt. That’s what Johnny is in the playoffs and why it’s so damn ridiculous when he gets 115 pts in the season. Where does his confidence go?

Completely disagree. Was the best Flame on the ice tonight.

[Jagermeister]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I would put it at a 30 percent chance he makes less than 9. And a 20 percent chance he makes more than 10.

Johnny and the top line could legitimately come out in game 4 and put up 4 goals if they can figure it out. What's the point of discussing this until the series is over...
I think it starts with that line not being down Tkachuck for 5 minutes to start every game and just worry about playing their style of hockey

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Yup I’m losing sleep too and this is affecting my well being. Covid and Putin have wrecked the world.

And I’m tired of the arena debate and how many tens millions “we” have to pay two guys I’ve never met personally.

I’m too old to let things like this get to me yet I can’t find the strength. So unfortunately I think I’m done with the NHL at the end of this round.

Don't let the actions and performance of other people that you can't control impact your happiness.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Completely disagree. Was the best Flame on the ice tonight.

Yeah, Johnny, Markstrom, Lucic, and Lewis were the standouts for the Flames in this game.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Sutter laying it on Johnny for not tying the game is garbage. They lose this series? He’s gone. This could get really ugly.

If the flames lose this series he should be gone anyway. This is what we looks like every year with him making 6-something, does anyone think it will be better with him making 11?

I really don’t know how much more of playoff gaudreau anyone needs to see.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I think people are reading too deep into that Sutter comment. Remember when Darryl said he hopes Johnny plays better in game 501 than he did in 500? People freaked out about how Johnny would respond to coaching like that. Johnny’s himself and his dad said he plays better when coaches don’t sugarcoat stuff and hold him accountable

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

That’s a weird take considering owners want playoff success because that means extra home dates. The “big money” as you put it would be in the playoffs where you can get upwards of 16 extra sold out home games at premium pricing. That’s what the owners want.

Agreed. Playoffs are where the money is at. Flames missed the boat by jacking up prices 10% and placing the renewal date on May 16. Gives us enough time to not renew if they flame out in the 1st round. Frankly for me this team doesn’t get another cent of mine until they play in the second round. Could be another 10 years based on the pace they have been running the last 32.