Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Steve Macfarlane

For the record, I think Conroy was half joking and being optimistic.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...reau-contract/

Well exactly. When he said "It'll get done", he was playing the caricature of "contract Santa Clause". In other words, he was just having some fun with the media, not being serious.

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yes, I was responding to the poster that said Johnny was a top 5 player in this league.

This year he is. In 2018/19, he was.

The last two years? Not even close to being top 5.

So yeah, inconsistent.

Since the all star break of '18-'19, compare his numbers when centered by Mony vs when centered by Lindy.

[Draug]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yes, I was responding to the poster that said Johnny was a top 5 player in this league.

This year he is. In 2018/19, he was.

The last two years? Not even close to being top 5.

So yeah, inconsistent.

Well, as bax pointed out, he's 7th in points during the time span of his career.

That IS ACTUALLY pretty close to top 5!

[bax]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yes, I was responding to the poster that said Johnny was a top 5 player in this league.

This year he is. In 2018/19, he was.

The last two years? Not even close to being top 5.

So yeah, inconsistent.

Okay is that actually a legitimate criticism though? You can say the same thing for 99.9% of players in the league if your argument for being consistent is being a top 5 player every single season.

Even then you are ignoring a lot of context. There are maybe 2 guys at most that are able to be top 5 every single season.

Gaudreau has shown over a 9 season career that he is one of the very best players in the league at generating offense- the hardest thing to do.

7th overall in points since he joined the league.
3rd overall in even strength points since he joined the league.

[GioforPM]

I think the only real criticism of Gaudreau I can muster is PO performance and he’s not alone there. His improved 200 foot game and a few tweaks to his offensive attack I see now are going to be huge in that area.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Draug

Well, as bax pointed out, he's 7th in points during the time span of his career.

That IS ACTUALLY pretty close to top 5!

7th in points does not make him "pretty close" to being a top 5 player in the NHL, especially when during most of that time Johnny brought little to the table other than those points.

Plus, some of those top players might be defence men and goalies. Those two in Tampa Bay come to mind.

Plus limiting the time period to when Johnny played may exclude younger players who have less career points but are clearly better players. who nring more tot he table than just points.

Johnny has been a excellent player this year, no one can (or should) argue that.

But looking at his career as a whole, he's not close to being a top 5 player in the NHL. But he's certainly making a case for himself this year.

[Macman]

Tkachuk is a real beauty, what's the point if the Flames don't re-sign him?

Getting a high draft pick and getting a player like that, developing him to a large extent even though he's a good player on his own and everything and then just losing him to free agency, you can't do that in my opinion. Maybe if we win a cup with him first then I'd be okay with him re-signing somewhere else if that's what he chooses.

He's a Flame and made his mark here and in the league. Brady signed with Ottawa so I don't see how Tkachuk won't want to stay here other than another team offering him a lot of money.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macman

Tkachuk is a real beauty, what's the point if the Flames don't re-sign him?

Getting a high draft pick and getting a player like that, developing him to a large extent even though he's a good player on his own and everything and then just losing him to free agency, you can't do that in my opinion. Maybe if we win a cup with him first then I'd be okay with him re-signing somewhere else if that's what he chooses.

He's a Flame and made his mark here and in the league. Brady signed with Ottawa so I don't see how Tkachuk won't want to stay here other than another team offering him a lot of money.

Brady was offered a ton of money when his stats suggested otherwise and he was years from real leverage.

Tkachuk is about a year from UFA.

There is little to compare their situations.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think the only real criticism of Gaudreau I can muster is PO performance and he’s not alone there. His improved 200 foot game and a few tweaks to his offensive attack I see now are going to be huge in that area.

I think a lot about datsyuk who struggled his first few playoffs but then exploded when he went back to back finals against Crosby. From then on he was a point a game player in the playoffs but he did struggle early on, once he found the 200 foot game he was a force. It would be so hard to see Gaudreau go to UFA especially since he’s a found money pick in the 4th round, Treliving has to find a way.

[Hack&Lube]

What are the chance another team tries to offer sheet Tkachuk? I think we have to match for sure and that would show our loyalty to him. But a vindictive GM could really screw us over with a high offer sheet.

If they offered one to Mangiapane though, I'll take the 3 draft picks because I'm sure his agent is going to play hardball after the season he's had and I am not sure that this current year of goalscoring opportunism is going to be sustainable long term.

[442scotty]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

What are the chance another team tries to offer sheet Tkachuk? I think we have to match for sure and that would show our loyalty to him. But a vindictive GM could really screw us over with a high offer sheet.

If they offered one to Mangiapane though, I'll take the 3 draft picks because I'm sure his agent is going to play hardball after the season he's had and I am not sure that this current year of goalscoring opportunism is going to be sustainable long term.

Man, you want to trade him so bad you make it known every chance you get lol

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Macman

Tkachuk is a real beauty, what's the point if the Flames don't re-sign him?

Getting a high draft pick and getting a player like that, developing him to a large extent even though he's a good player on his own and everything and then just losing him to free agency, you can't do that in my opinion. Maybe if we win a cup with him first then I'd be okay with him re-signing somewhere else if that's what he chooses.

He's a Flame and made his mark here and in the league. Brady signed with Ottawa so I don't see how Tkachuk won't want to stay here other than another team offering him a lot of money.

Tkachuk just looks like he's having a lot of fun playing right now. He's getting to play his game in a system that works for him with linemates that he clicks with. I can't understand why he would opt to leave that.

I don't, however, expect him to sign early. He and his agent will hold out for the best deal from the Flames.

I also don't expect any of the big UFAs to be signed until the cap situation is sorted out. IMO some combo of Monahan, Lucic, Mangiapane, Backlulnd, etc.. will not be on the team next year.

[dustygoon]

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[Knut]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Getting more and more accepting of how this likely plays out.

https://twitter.com/user/status/https://twitter.com/MeCookieMonster/status/1371541931612835848?s=20&t=EbU5YkdpT1HtgQJUygSSMg

?Huh?

[SuperMatt18]

E5: Tkachuk signing with Sesame Street confirmed.

[Britflamesfan]

Some of you guys are living in La La land. There is no way the flames can keep under the Cap and keep JG MT Mang OK. They are all playing out of their skins this year plus you have the two large mean defencemen EG NZ who have quite frankly transformed the team from a weak and soft group into something other teams do not enjoy playing against. This year is it, we need to go full throttle because its all come together just in time. Next year the team will be completely different. Not sure Backlund will get you much if you can find somebody ,he has become very lazy, Monahan will be extremely difficult to move as will ML, if you do move ML that's your 3 tough players gone.

[edslunch]

“Agent,” said Treliving, with an interest he had never felt before, “tell me if Johnny will stay.” “I see a vacant seat,” replied the Agent, “in the locker room-corner, and a stick without an owner, carefully preserved. If these shadows remain unaltered by the Future, the player will leave.”

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

Some of you guys are living in La La land. There is no way the flames can keep under the Cap and keep JG MT Mang OK. They are all playing out of their skins this year plus you have the two large mean defencemen EG NZ who have quite frankly transformed the team from a weak and soft group into something other teams do not enjoy playing against. This year is it, we need to go full throttle because its all come together just in time. Next year the team will be completely different. Not sure Backlund will get you much if you can find somebody ,he has become very lazy, Monahan will be extremely difficult to move as will ML, if you do move ML that's your 3 tough players gone.

I would bet all 4 of those guys are Flames next year. I would actually be shocked if they were not. There are plenty of ways to keep all 4.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I was with someone today who’s very close to the organization, but not as close to this negotiation as Conroy, who said he thinks we’re going to lose Gaudreau. I then sent him a text with a screenshot of Conroy’s comment. Waiting to hear back…. Lol.

Also heard the contrary from people with connections on the board in January.

Back then, I figured that was enough to leave the issue be because it was no longer an issue.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would bet all 4 of those guys are Flames next year. I would actually be shocked if they were not. There are plenty of ways to keep all 4.

Only Johnny can walk so you are at least 75% right

[chedder]

I think the only way Johnny stays is a deep playoff run then a giant offer that includes the 8th year that he can only get here.

The giant offer and the thought that he can maybe win here just might be enough to keep him. So in other words a lot has to go right plus a boat load of money.