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AustinL_NHL · 02-13-2022, 05:39 AM

Between Steven Dubois and the Finals of the Women's 3000m Short Track Relay, Canada has a shot at a couple medals in the next 30 minutes or so!

AustinL_NHL · 02-13-2022, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Between Steven Dubois and the Finals of the Women's 3000m Short Track Relay, Canada has a shot at a couple medals in the next 30 minutes or so!

The women finish 4th after being in a medal position on the final lap.

Just some HORRIBLE exchanges.

Medal nightmares continue

GirlySports · 02-13-2022, 06:07 AM

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Yeah we need to figure out a better way to ensure our best teams are at the Olympics. I admire what Jennifer has accomplished in her career, but is she even in the top-5 in Canadian Womens Curling anymore?

She absolutely is. How else can we pick teams other than a tournament?

Sweden beat the States and China beat Korea, those are good for us.

AustinL_NHL · 02-13-2022, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Between Steven Dubois and the Finals of the Women's 3000m Short Track Relay, Canada has a shot at a couple medals in the next 30 minutes or so!

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Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

The women finish 4th after being in a medal position on the final lap.

Just some HORRIBLE exchanges.

Medal nightmares continue

Dubois WINS BRONZE!!!!

AustinL_NHL · 02-13-2022, 06:19 AM

Dubois went into the Finals as the 2nd highest ranked skater, but at this point, any medal for Canada is a big medal

AustinL_NHL · 02-13-2022, 06:21 AM

Also to Dubois' credit, he entered the games not projected to win ANY medals, so he joins Meryeta O'Dine (Snowboard Cross) as the second Canadian to win 2 medals despite being projected to win 0.

Incredible work, Steven!

AustinL_NHL · 02-13-2022, 06:49 AM

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She absolutely is. How else can we pick teams other than a tournament?

Sweden beat the States and China beat Korea, those are good for us.

The Men's & Women's teams were rightfully decided by Tournaments while the Mixed Doubles Team was hand selected because the Tournament was cancelled, correct?

AustinL_NHL · 02-13-2022, 07:12 AM

Team Canada will skate for a medal in Men's Long Track Team Pursuit after making the final 4!

Edit: There's actually another heat, and Canada is hanging on to the 4th and final spot so I may have jumped the gun a bit, although China and ROC aren't really expected to contend for a spot

AustinL_NHL · 02-13-2022, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Team Canada will skate for a medal in Men's Long Track Team Pursuit after making the final 4!

Edit: There's actually another heat, and Canada is hanging on to the 4th and final spot so I may have jumped the gun a bit, although China and ROC aren't really expected to contend for a spot

Wow. Russia surprises and advances in 3rd.

Canada will not race for a medal

GirlySports · 02-13-2022, 09:07 AM

Winless Italy just upset Switzerland in curling. It brings the Swiss back into the pile. Gushue has Italy, China and the Cheaters next. Should win those and make the playoffs.

nieuwy-89 · 02-13-2022, 10:46 AM

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The Men's & Women's teams were rightfully decided by Tournaments while the Mixed Doubles Team was hand selected because the Tournament was cancelled, correct?

I’m just not sure that a single “win and your in” tournament is the best way to select the best team. I wonder if curling should adopt a ranking system based on cumulative wins and overall performance. Just a thought. I may have unreasonably high expectations of Canada to dominate in curling because we have so many great teams.

GirlySports · 02-13-2022, 11:18 AM

It's hard to find the right solution. You really have to tweak your rankings system. Because Tracy Fleury was ranked #1 going into the trails and she's never won anything. Has never been to the Scotties final even. Whereas you have Scotties and World Champions everywhere. Jones, Einerson, Homan. Even McCarville had been to a Scotties final, now twice.

Do you you give more points for provincials and nationals? or Grand Slams (only 8 ends).

Maybe the trails should be longer? Maybe the trials final should be best of 3 like in the US? Lots to consider.

Strange Brew · 02-13-2022, 11:18 AM

I have no issues at all with Jones representing Canada. She deserves to be there but her rink just hasn’t played well.

The game against the Swiss was decided in 8 basically. It was tied at that point. Go back and look at how well the Swiss played that end and that Canada could not execute. By the time we got to skip stones, a steal was assured and you could see the steal of two there for the taking. Jones miss was obvious but the whole rink shares blame. Exact same story in 9.

It’s a shame and I don’t really know the answer. But it sure seems like other teams are playing better when shots are needed. Just like in the mixed.

Derek Sutton · 02-13-2022, 01:23 PM

VWe are not getting our best curlers and putting them on a team. Our teams are built by the players/ based on provincial qualification standards, not selected by Curling Canada. The standard curling Canada rules and funding do not allow for the formation of a “super team” like we see from the Swiss and Swedes.

In Canada it is also rare to see a skip step down to form a better team, the rare case being Sweeting going to third and joining Einarson, the best team in Canada the last three years. We do see front ends move about a bit but the top teams in Canada have traditionally been set in the skip/ third positions (Jones/ Homan). There has also been a drop off in top end teams, we saw that this year at the Scotties. Team Einarson is the best we have and they’re not there because of the qualification process.

GirlySports · 02-13-2022, 03:13 PM

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VWe are not getting our best curlers and putting them on a team. Our teams are built by the players/ based on provincial qualification standards, not selected by Curling Canada. The standard curling Canada rules and funding do not allow for the formation of a “super team” like we see from the Swiss and Swedes.

In Canada it is also rare to see a skip step down to form a better team, the rare case being Sweeting going to third and joining Einarson, the best team in Canada the last three years. We do see front ends move about a bit but the top teams in Canada have traditionally been set in the skip/ third positions (Jones/ Homan). There has also been a drop off in top end teams, we saw that this year at the Scotties. Team Einarson is the best we have and they’re not there because of the qualification process.

Yes Einerson who lost Rocque to put her into tiebreaker hell. You could say there is too much pressure on one trails tournament but that's what the Olympic are, one tournament.

If Edin doesn't win Gold this year what are Swden going to say? He's won the Worlds 5 times.

Strange Brew · 02-13-2022, 05:34 PM

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Yes Einerson who lost Rocque to put her into tiebreaker hell. You could say there is too much pressure on one trails tournament but that's what the Olympic are, one tournament.

If Edin doesn't win Gold this year what are Swden going to say? He's won the Worlds 5 times.

I don’t want to send an all star team that hasn’t played together. I think the process selected a good team. Question is why aren’t they playing better.

nieuwy-89 · 02-13-2022, 10:28 PM

I am not advocating at all for an all star team. Just questioning if a play-in tournament is the best method vs looking at track records over a longer period.

It would all be moot if the Jones rink wasn’t struggling like this. And I am fully aware that she is an Olympic Champion who probably knows much more about what it takes to win than I do!

SebC · 02-14-2022, 06:19 AM

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It's hard to find the right solution. You really have to tweak your rankings system. Because Tracy Fleury was ranked #1 going into the trails and she's never won anything.

The Canadian Team Ranking System is a seasonal ranking - it's not designed to select the best team and it's isn't appropriate for that purpose if you want to consider a longer time period.

As far a All-Star teams go, if we keep getting duds out of the provincial teams, it's worth trying. We won't know if we don't give it a shot.

Strange Brew · 02-14-2022, 06:58 PM

The excuse for the mixed performance was that they were an all star team. The real answer is countries should be able to send more than one team based on world rankings.

GirlySports · 02-14-2022, 07:19 PM

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The excuse for the mixed performance was that they were an all star team. The real answer is countries should be able to send more than one team based on world rankings.

Canada's world ranking would be pretty bad, we don't play mixed doubles very much. The Europeans have a mixed tour, like our grand slam 4 person tour.